I would not permanently ban somebody for saying the Earth is flat. Instead, I would ban them for a week and send them on a sanity pilgrimage complete with required reading and a final test.
this post was submitted on 11 Jan 2025
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Just as long as everybody remembers that fighting ideas with ideas only works when everybody is honest.
This seems oddly timed with the whole meta thing going on.
Are people going to be forced to accept 'a small amount' of, ferinstance, asserting that homosexuality is a mental illness?
Seems to me there is a big difference between attacking someone's identity and claiming the earth is flat or marijuana is bad. The fact the mods don't seem to address this is concerning.
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I really thought this was satire.
It does feel oddly timed, but I personally made a new news community on my instance to fight back against the mod abuse on the more popular news instance in this part of the fediverse.
People are taking notice of mod abuse and leaving because they don't support it.
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Huh... that's disappointing.
It was entirely predictable from Vichy Twitter and Meta, but I didn't expect lemmy - even .world - to kowtow.
Props to those on smaller instances, especially communities. This space will be so much better when not dominated by just a few big ones.
Weirdly the ability for Lemmy to have many versions of the same community is both the solution to this policy change and the best argument against it being necessary. If the mods in one version want to be a fan club rather than a debate club, that's not a problem because there are other communities out there. And at the same time, if World wants to mandate all communities be debate clubs, people can stop visiting World communities.
Decentralization ftw!
Tbh it doesn't really seem like a change since all of the world communities have been on seem to follow this notion anyway.
Even though I see a lot of dissenting voices, they don't get removed or banned.
Especially in c/Politics which has a very high amount of senseless content lol. Even if you roll in as a tankie or a party shill, you're free to engage.
The policy IS more targeted at certain communities who ban people left and right for little reason or no reason at all.
When I saw the original announcement from LW admins, I was extremely surprised find that I, with some reservations, agreed with it.
Lemmy definitely has a problem with single-viewpoint moderated communities. I am banned from some anarchism communities because I came in and did exactly what Serinus described, gave a point of view that poked a hole in the only officially allowed narrative, and I definitely have observed particularly on lemmy.world moderators who are very unapologetic about banning people who try to poke a hole in the only allowed viewpoint. I don't think anyone on a social network should be in the business of policing the allowed points of view. You can kick out the agreed-to-be-obnoxious stuff, and there's going to be a big grey area there, but once you've come out with it that you want to allow side 1 but not side 2, in my opinion you shouldn't be a moderator anymore.
Of course, announcing the policy and implementing it are two very different things. Implementing it perfectly will be impossible. Also, there are people who use "poking a hole in the only allowed viewpoint" as their excuse for being an absolute knobhead, never shutting up, and being hostile and disingenuous. (Depending on who you ask, I might be one of them.) I'm a little bit suspicious of how well lemmy.world is going to implement this extremely-difficult-to-implement policy change. I was sort of expecting it to be some kind of red herring which was forbidding moderators from dealing with trolls or propagandists when they found them, though. It still might be that in practice, of course.
But overall, I was more than a little surprised when I read a LW moderation policy announcement and found it describing a genuine problem and a pretty credible attempt at a solution. I don't even know if the communities I was thinking of while reading it are still around and still doing their thing, but if they are, it's a problem.
Lemmy definitely has a problem with single-viewpoint moderated communities. I am banned from some anarchism communities because I came in and did exactly what Serinus described, gave a point of view that poked a hole in the only officially allowed narrative,
You sound like a troll who went to the anarchism community for the purpose of starting an argument. "Debate me bro" isn't a personality that should need to be supported by topic-focused communities.
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In the World community, I am not shy about removing comments and banning users pushing outright propaganda, such that the Ukrainians are Nazis, Gaza is not undergoing a genocide and Chinas persecution of the Uyghurs is at best just a wacky misunderstanding and at worst Western propaganda against the wise, benevolent CCP.
But when I do that, I cite my sources.
Yeah. It makes a big difference what communities and what type of "poking holes in the narrative" comments they are talking about. It could be a way to crack down on fake leftist communities that will ban you for saying Biden has been raising working people's wages for the last four years, or it could also be a way to force you to accept misinformation because banning it would be against "free speech." I wish they had listed some specific examples.
Please note, this is a lemmy.world change and applies to all lemmy.world communities.
In principle, this seems like a solid rule change.
However, considering that lemmy unfortunately has a large number of tankies, I could see how it could be abused lower the quality of discussion and spread tankie propaganda and genocide whitewashing.
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This is a great change. We shouldn't create environments where people falsely believe pseudoscience and misinformation isn't being posted. Instead, we need to equip people with the tools necessary so they can identify misinformation for themselves. Kind of like giving a man a fish vs. teaching them how to fish.
This should encourage more people to be more inquisitive in their discussions, rather than accepting what users post as fact. Don't be afraid to ask for sources. Don't be afraid to point out that someone is believing a lie.
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