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That topic regularly came up on /r/meditation. The consensus was usually that it’s not worth it. You will learn a meditation style, yes, but it’s not better or worse than others, and you will also buy into a cult.
If you want to learn meditation, there are sooo many resources online and in books. Why not use one of those?
And even if you want to it retreat style, there’s free courses by dhamma.org all over the world.
it’s not better or worse than others
If you want to learn meditation, there are sooo many resources online and in books. Why not use one of those?
I was just curious, because TM is approved by artists like Scorcese, Lynch and Eastwood. There are also studies that claim its benefits are higher than those of other meditation types. I really just want to get a grasp on what this is about as I am atm greatly expanding my meditation practices and am trying out other meditation techniques.
the scientology is approved by people like Tom Cruise. Might be better avoiding though, even if Mission Impossible is enjoyable.
Fair point! Didn't notice my bias there. Guess there is a scheme to fall for for everyone.
So, I was curious about the “studies” part of your comment, and did some randomly chosen reading.
On the TM website they feature prominently: “Hypertension, June 2013: a scientific statement from the American Heart Association concluded that the TM technique is the only meditation practice that has been shown to lower blood pressure”
I wanted to see how that claim holds up when looking at more details.
In a meta analysis that includes those claims, the summary about blood pressure is:
“Magnitude of reductions of systolic blood pressure varies widely.
Study limitations including the methods of blood pressure measurements and bias in data ascertainment, high dropout rates, and different populations studied”
In the detailed section about meditation practice and blood pressure, two things become apparent: first, the data quality is bad. That’s usually an indicator for suspicion. Chances are high the data was milked to support a biased claim. Second, another, earlier study than that citation by TM concluded that both Zen meditation and TM lower blood pressure.
Now, given that zen meditation is much much closer to Vipassana than TM, and there is no suggested mechanism of how meditation is supposed to lower blood pressure and the effect is still rather small in all studies (each with their own bad data quality), that raises some eyebrows.
Let’s remember that all of these studies were made during the time frame of the replication crisis.
In effect, I’m still suspicious about TM as a whole. They have a product that they’re selling, and they have a marketing team. For me, that doesn’t sit right in the space of meditation, even more so because cheap and powerful alternatives are plentiful.
But to each their own. If spiritually and money go well together for you, and you have the spare money to do it, go for it.
there are sooo many resources online and in books.
Any recommendations?
“Mindfulness in plain English”. It’s available as free ebook. Rather short, too.
Thank you!
https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/de-mystifying-mindfulness. It's also available on coursera I reckon.
Interesting. Thank you!
It's literally just repeating a phrase in your mind over and over again, i.e. basic concentration meditation, except a mantra instead of your breath (or whatever object you prefer).
The only "secret" is how effectively they part gullible people from their money.
You want the TM experience? PayPal me $2,000 and I'll give you a "special" mantra phrase (chosen just for you by a 14th century reincarnated spirit and/or ouija board and/or monkey throwing a dart at the wall) and you can go nuts with it.
Not trying to make fun of anyone, but TM is your classic, boring scam/cult. I'm sure you can find their "secret" mantras if you google hard enough. It's baloney wrapped in mysticism with some TM-funded studies to lend more credibility. Truth is, meditation -- of any form -- is generally good for your mind and body. There are hundreds of meditation techniques, they all serve to soothe the nervous system, concentrate the mind, and/or bring mindful awareness.
Definitely not worth paying for. If you want to do it, just pick a phrase "peace", "relax", whatever, and silently repeat it to yourself for 20 minutes. That's all they're doing.