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[–] sounddrill@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 18 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Keyword being uncorrupt.

Governments are run by people, at the end of the day

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[–] books@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

.ml? I always thought it was for Marxist lenninist.

But that could have been tongue in cheek

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I related ML to Machine Learning, since tons of ML tools hosted in .ml, it turns out that it was just a free domain from Malasia.

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[–] Tenesto@citizensgaming.com 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not even sure what a government would look like in order to allow capitalism to function without corruption and exploitation. The regulations needed would be so overbearing that the markers surely would not thrive. Our entire society is based around the idea of abusing what is essentially slave labor to live far beyond our means. Without massive corruption, the US would just be another unremarkable country struggling to stay afloat.

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[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

yeah!! if MY party was in power, the government would not be corrupt!!! its definitely not the system that is flawed

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[–] words_number@programming.dev 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem is how do we get there? In a market there will always be actors powerful enough to corrupt the governmenta and influence regulation in an undemocratic way.

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[–] trafficnab@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

I hadn't experienced hexbear (literally) shitting up the place yet, has a way to block entire instances been implemented or do I gotta find a new one that isn't federated with them?

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[–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The idea of an uncorrupt government is naive, we would at least need direct democracy to prevent corrupt elitist groups from developing and taking advantage of the system

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[–] HomebrewHedonist@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What this planet needs is a Magna Carta of sorts that limits the power of all people, corporations or other entities or groups. Simple as that. We need limits! Extreme inequality will ALWAYS breed civil unrest.

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[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I mean, it's hard to argue against that, because there is evidence that it works in Europe. Might need less corrupt governments in some places tho

[–] pm_boobs_send_nudes@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (13 children)

That's an extremely narrow view point I'd say. In my country the government promotes the growth of existing big corporations so that there can be more jobs and infrastructure development - but this has in the end lead to a widening of gap and has essentially only made the rich even richer.

I genuinely believe promoting start ups is better for the middle class than big corporations, as usually startups pay a crazy amount of money if you ask for it compared to what a big rich corpo would give you (ironically).

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[–] HerbalGamer@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

middle class is an illusion

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[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I know a lot of you are meming, but the amount of dogshit takes here is almost depressing.

There is no single answer to what a good government looks like, there is no "best one" and surely any single one that is based purely on ideals or idealized human behavior will fail, no matter how hard you believe in it.

One of the arguably most successful governments is the Chinese one and they are and were neither just, nor friendly, nor purely capitalist, communist or authoritarian. They are very China first and fuck everyone else and that works because of a lack of conscience and them adapting to everything without a second thought. Looking away and screwing people over as needed. You can be capitalist as long as it works for them. You can do whatever if it benefits them.

The US does this too, in different ways with similar effects.

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[–] Ibex0@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)
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[–] ChopArts@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Left are the goodies

Right are the baddies.

Simples.

[–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just a tinsy tiny one.

But look, I will happily state my true opinions on here. Let them downvote me. My skin isn't paper thin.

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think it's not that they have a leftist bias here, but that they have a Marxist bias. I find I get drowned, or just mass-accused of being a liberal, for simply not being a Marxist.

The false claim that Marxism is the endpoint of "left" (and that anyone who isn't Marxist is to the right of them) is silly and makes it hard to have useful conversation even if you don't care about downvotes.

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm confused by something. Isn't this meme pretty far left compared to reality?

[–] Robaque@feddit.it 10 points 1 year ago

What exactly makes it "far left"?

Uncorrupt governments? No, far left (at least an anarchist far left) is realising that that's a pipedream.

A "healthy middle class"? Lol, leftism is all about eradicating the class system entirely, it's one of the biggest reasons liberals aren't leftist.

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[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

All systems: Government, Market, etc, should be regulated assuming corruption already exists.

Because one way or another it will reach that point long after you're gone, if not before then.

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