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I have a heavy crystal decanter I've been using for years. A while back I was having some guests for a week, and thought I'd save some money and grabbed a bottle of Jim beam to put in it, as opposed to the higher end I tend to go for, because none of my guest cared about Bourbon. I noticed the level going down further than I had consumed. This has never been an issue before, so I figured someone had just nipped it while o was asleep. The next day, there was condensation on the inside, and the level had dropped further.

Since I'd been using the decanter for so long, I assumed the frosting on the stopper had rubbed off and it no longer sealed.

When it was empty, I refilled it with larceny, my standard, and to my surprise, it didn't evaporate at all for weeks.

Last night, I refilled it with beam again, and this morning, it had dropped and there was condensation on the side.

What really confused me, is Jim beam has a lower alcohol content than the Bourbons I usually fill the decanter with, so I would think it would evaporate as readily.

Why does only this one brand evaporate?

Quick searching gave me no results

Tldr: Why does Jim Beam evaporate in my decanter while nothing else does?

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 23 points 7 hours ago

You got kids?

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 51 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Occam's Razor: prefer the answer with the least assumptions. The simplest answer is that the stopper leaks.

You've only got a very small sample size and it's possible that the stopper is slightly asymmetric and fits well one way and no other.

The easiest way to unreliabily detect this is just to rotate the stopper in the neck and see if it sits in one place sightly differently than other positions.

Also, if you're more frequently drinking your preferred bourbon, you'll have a harder time noticing any evaporation.

[–] SadSadSatellite@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

I have noticed the stopper is occasionally harder to pull out, so I'm leaning toward this.

I guess I'll have to get a few more bottles to expiriment.

[–] Oaksey@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

For research

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 13 points 8 hours ago

I guess I’ll have to get a few more bottles to expiriment.

Shame!

[–] Toes@ani.social 4 points 7 hours ago

If the room cools down after you seal the container it'll feel tighter as well

[–] etchinghillside@reddthat.com 107 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news – you subconsciously prefer the Jim Beam and are sleep drinking it at night.

[–] SadSadSatellite@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It was pretty clever to use a spray bottle to add condensation to the inside of the bottle. I would of gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you pesky lemmings.

[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 22 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

Not to be 'that guy', but it's "would've" or "would have", never "would of".

[–] BangCrash@lemmy.world 15 points 13 hours ago

Dude is night drinking Jim Beam. He can spell but he's permanently drunk so doesn't care

[–] SadSadSatellite@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 12 hours ago

True, but if it helps it was an error of editing my post out of order, not of mistaken grammar

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[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 55 points 16 hours ago

My suspicion is that your stopper isn't sealing well, possibly from wear or just odd positioning. If you feel like ruining what's left of that Jim beam in the decanter you can run a little experiment. Clear the condensation out of the decanter and mark the current level. Leave it for a week and see if the level dropped to establish a baseline. After marking the change, coat the stopper in Vaseline and leave it for another week. See if that helped or not. If it helped then you've got a leak

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 30 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Do you live alone? I mean I've heard lots of stories where kids, spouses, visitors ... help themselves. And some booze just vanishes, or gets replaced.

[–] zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] orgrinrt@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Yeah, if only the cheap stuff does this, and there are teens in the household, I would bet that the stuff in its bottle is already plenty cut with water.

I remember, as a teen, I’d avoid the expensive stuff just because that’d get me into more trouble probably. The cheap stuff? By the time anyone noticed, it was probably 80% water in the bottle 😁

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 34 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)

Not what you're asking for, but unless you know your decanter is made from lead free crystal (most aren't), don't store booze in it for any amount of time. You should be safe to use it to serve a spirit in, but lead leaches into the spirit much quicker than you'd realise

[–] SuperIce@lemmy.world 35 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The lead adds sweetness though

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 7 points 16 hours ago

Only if it's lead acetate. You'd need vinegar or at least wine, not whisky.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 12 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Do people actually keep around lead crystal shit still?!

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Yes. Most crystal has lead, it’s just how it works. It’s fine if you’re not a child and you don’t store it in there for long periods.

I have some and use the glasses regularly. The decanter is and finished in 1-2 days though.

If it has a deep resounding ring you might want to avoid it.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

And its not dangerous, like leaching into everything? How can you know its safe besides simply throwing it away?

[–] piecat@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Theres no safe level of lead, it accumulates in the body.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Define "safe." If drinking from a lead crystal glass for 10 years took 10 years and 2 days off your life, would that be safe?

Alcohol isn't exactly safe to drink. Your liver can repair itself, but not back to 100%. And you'll pick up some mutations that will make cancer more likely by a little bit down the road.

[–] piecat@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Alcohol damage doesn't accumulate in the same way.

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[–] SadSadSatellite@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

No lead. It's not great quality or antique, I just liked the shape.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 9 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

That means it's a glass decanter, as crystal always has lead 😉

[–] SadSadSatellite@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

In the 1800s absolutely, but since the discontinuation of leaded products, significantly heavy glass with tin, aluminum, titanium or other metals added for strength and sheen has been deemed crystal, with the previous material being designated as leaded crystal.

I'm an avid antique collector and have needed to know the difference for several years.

If you reside in the EU or Britain however, disregard those statements, as they still have legal definitions of crystal on the books.

Edit: I meant UK, not EU, my bad.

Edit again: it is actually the EU. American schools, man.

[–] spankinspinach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 hours ago

So it's safe for my takeaway from this to be that I CAN get a modern crystal decanter? This conversation had me leaning away hard until your comment 😂

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 10 hours ago

Well I learned something new today. Although, we have UKers in this household so the formal definitions from both the UK and EU are often stuck to. Don't get me started on cheese...

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago

Is your decanter over something warm? A TV? Cable box? Radiator? Heater register?

Something that will cause the likelihood of evaporation to go up?

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 20 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

How many kids do you have.

[–] SadSadSatellite@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Illegalmexicant@lemmy.world 22 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] SadSadSatellite@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 hours ago

None that know where i live*

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 10 points 15 hours ago

Different alcohol sources evaporate at different rates.

An experiment:

  • Zero out a scale with a glass
  • Put 4oz of Beam in the glass
  • Zero out a scale with another glass
  • Put 4oz of the other bourbon in that glass
  • Record total weight of each glass
  • Wait 24 hours
  • Weigh them again to see change
  • Pour fresh glasses
  • Try all 4 back to back to compare alcohol taste

My guess will be that unless you have a coffee or herb scale, you probably won't see a measurable difference, but you'll be able to taste more of a difference in the Beam.

[–] SpeedLimit55@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

White label Beam is 80 proof and Larceny small batch is 92 so it seems strange that Beam would evaporate since its a 6% different alcohol content. If you normally drink barrel strength 120-130 proof stuff I could see it. Bad seal on the decanter lid maybe?

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Condensation means there is more water evaporating, not alcohol.

Keep it in a cooler place and this will reduce the evaporation rate.

[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 15 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I doubt that it's water condensation. Based on some internet sleuthing I strongly suspect that it's alcohol.

https://foodwine.com/alcohol-evaporation/

Why it's happening for one and not the other, I'm not sure.

[–] SGforce@lemmy.ca 12 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

it's probably the quality.

https://nationalhomebrew.com.au/brewers-library/safety-foreshot

The foreshot generally contains a quantity of Methanol, Acetone and various Aldehydes along with small amounts of wanted Ethanol.

There's other even more volatile compounds in the cheaper stuff. They will evaporate even more easily than alcohol, though I'd suspect that they drag some along with it.

[–] SadSadSatellite@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 16 hours ago

I had considered that I wouldn't see condensation from alcohol evaporating, but I only noticed the level visibly dropping with Jim beam specifically.

It could be as simple as the difference in color absorbing more heat from light, I suppose.

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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

If it’s lead crystal then don’t store alcohol in your decanter. It will slowly leach out over time. Crystal is meant to be used then stored away.

[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

If it has a rubber stopper, maybe prime it with a bit of booze to seal gaps. Also if it's older replace the rubber bits.

[–] Leeks@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

What temperature is your house normally? Also what are the high and low temps experienced?

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[–] superkret@feddit.org 4 points 16 hours ago (7 children)

your roommates are drinking it.

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