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[–] robbotlove@lemmy.world 97 points 1 year ago (1 children)

when Russia becomes the third world nation in a proxy war.

[–] MariaRomanov@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 1 year ago (33 children)

Russia has been a third world nation since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Politicians just like to use the Russian boogeyman to scare people who remember the Cold War. Putin may be a monster, but China is the real threat.

[–] LostMyRedditLogin@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Russia literally invaded two countries and stole their land and people. Your post is ridiculous.

[–] MariaRomanov@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

Russia is certainly a regional threat but countries invade and dominate other countries in their sphere of influence all the time. Russia does not have what it takes to dominate on a world stage like they did after World War 2. Their economy is weak, as is their military.

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[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I understand your sentiment but as a history major I need to clarify that Russia is literally the Second World Nation. As in, the First, Second, and Third categorization emerged to describe pro-NATO, pro-Warsaw Pact, and unaligned countries.

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[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

China was considered a true partner of the West until 2008.

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

Business was good, fake news was doing daddies' biddings while jobs were being shipped out.

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[–] FARTYSHARTBLAST@sh.itjust.works 77 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Whaaat? But China said they weren't doing that. China wouldn't just lie like that, would it?

[–] Hotdogman@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did you check behind their back to see if their fingers were crossed?

[–] FARTYSHARTBLAST@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where have you been when China lied for the 48352847285627th time this week? 🥲

[–] FARTYSHARTBLAST@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Around I guess, but I was utilizing the technique of sarcasm there.

[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And I tried to reference the club penguin meme. I suck at being funny.

[–] FARTYSHARTBLAST@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well, shit. Comedy is hard, don't beat yourself up.

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Both Russia and Ukraine are buying and using consumer-level drones and scopes from China, though...

Turns out, AliExpress is pretty fucking amazing.

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[–] jonhanson@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

China is widely suspected of supplying Russia with equipment and materials to support their war, however no-one has adduced anything concrete to support that theory so far.

The article itself doesn't cite much in the way of sources or evidence, other than mentioning a report by Molfar, the open source intelligence agency. Molfar has published reports on the same topic in the past, but there hasn't been anything recently.

If the Telegraph had new information or evidence they would be shouting a lot louder than this. This is most likely them covering up for a quiet day by dredging up some old rumours and repackaging them as news.

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

In other news, China is also widely suspected of supplying Ukraine with equipment and materials to support their war.

Turns out, China isn't a single entity but a bunch of companies that want to make a whole ton of money by profiteering off of war.

The CCP doesn't care about the conflict so long as they can claim neutrality.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Probably not for long given the state of the Rouble and the economy. Tech-wise Russia has nothing to offer and when it comes to the stuff China might be interested in, such as ores and oil, well you'd have to not send miners to the front to continue producing them. That Russia of all countries is importing metals should make you stop and think.

Lenin is rotating in his mausoleum.

[–] UnverifiedAPK@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Russia provides a buffer, it's the same thing as North Korea. China aids NK to keep US allies as far away from themselves as possible.

[–] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Helicopters, drones, and metals they won't be able to use at Taiwan.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Not sure that makes it any better. Oppressing a country vs. helping oppress a country.

[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Politically it's better. Ukraine has 16 countries that committed over a billion Euros. We're not how many countries would back Taiwan.

[–] Rayleigh@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean over a billion Euros is technically correct, the actual number however is more like 150 to 200 billion Euros

[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago

Sorry, I meant over a billion Euros each. The US is at over €70 billion alone.

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[–] jcit878@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

the difference is in Taiwan's case america would be directly involved and have already committed to this, it is likely Japan would also and some other countries are likely to contribute to. china wouldn't have a hope

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[–] postmeridiem@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Dual-use goods

Such goods are classified as dual-use, meaning they also have civilian purposes, allowing China to skirt international sanctions and claim that it conducts only legal trade with Russia

The "international sanctions" btw:

You can't just unilaterally decree someone can't be traded dual use goods

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not sure if you understand the meaning of "unilateral".

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[–] YeeHaw@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Those are pretty international, y'know. What would your criteria be for calling sanctions international?

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[–] Sauvandu59@lemmy.my.id 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

whaat ? China sending weapons to Russia !?

[–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

The West is just going to have to be the first side to master dominion over the psi-powered mind worms.

[–] interolivary@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

I wonder if this'll lead to any sort of action against China. Generally people have thought that China wouldn't outright support Russia with war materials because they can't afford to be sanctioned by "the West", as they're much more reliant on trade with the EU and US

[–] palordrolap@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would those unspecified metals be of good quality or is there a risk they might be the sub-par stuff that is said to be exported by unscrupulous Chinese companies?

[–] baked_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Give away trash, get better prices on oil

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