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When I first started using Lemmy it seemed like such a nice place with interesting discussions. It seemed like the first group of people to join after the app exodus were being quite careful to be respectful of the existing culture.

Now, it seems as though the culture from Reddit has completely replaced it. Toxicity and all. I will say I do follow a lot of communities from a wide range of instances so it's clearly not everywhere.

Am I the only one who's feeling like we've just stormed in and bulldozed Lemmy?

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[–] Gnubyte@lemdit.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Things are fine man. There's just a lot of de federation lately which I don't think is exactly right.

[–] EremesZorn@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That depends entirely on what instances we are talking about. Lemmy.grad and Hexbear users have no business existing anywhere but their own shitty tankie bubble.

[–] Gnubyte@lemdit.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are those the super communists that are like fuck any place that's not Russia and China? Lol

If so I guess I feel the pain but I just give em the block

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TRUE. fuck tankies.

[–] amio@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

No. Apart from the relentless political posting, you-know-what-instance and a small handful of other people being obviously bad faith actors, I actually think it's a chill, relatively nice little place. A bunch of people will have Opinions and not be too shy about them, I figure that's fine as long as they're not aggressively off-topic, offputtingly angry or shared in a douchebaggy way. I haven't seen much outright incivility so far, whereas Reddit is a fucking constant shit blizzard.

I do hope we'll stay vigilant about astroturfing and bad faith participation, though, because it wouldn't take much to ruin the whole thing. "Redditism" is a natural-ish development for any large website if there's not a strong culture for resisting it, but it did become abruptly and noticeably worse once it turned into a pawn in the 2016 US election. Politics, as always, is the mind killer.

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

It's the politics, and the siloing as a result.

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[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

I don't think so. I used to post every day so there would at least be some content. Now I don't feel like that's necessary anymore. I like it more now.

[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's the circle of life. Something awful, the digg exodus, reddit, Twitter/x. Think of us shit posters as a sign of lemmy success.

[–] roguetrick@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Us goons really shit up everywhere we show up don't we.

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[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I am relatively new here, having embraced Lemmy after fleeing reddit in June. During my short tenure I have observed a change in culture and decline in politeness and respect for others. However, I think that some claims about the rise of toxic behavior are overstated.

In any event, it’s like a city growing from 500 people to 5,000, or from 50,000 people to 500,000. Of course the culture is going to be changed. Such growth is important to avoid stagnation and death by attrition, however. I think at this point Lemmy has achieved a critical mass where it is likely to continue growing. When people ask “how can we grow Lemmy faster or further”, though, I question whether that is really a good idea. Sites like reddit are somewhat too large, which is great for niche interests but fairly horrible for the most popular communities.

[–] silvercove@lemdro.id 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Yes it has. You can see this in political discussions very easily. There are too many people (mostly Americans) who are accusing everyone of being a Russian bot. This did not exist a year ago.

[–] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

When I see the term “Russian bot” I can’t help but think of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FEDOR and that video of it awkwardly and inflexibly shooting guns

[–] squiblet@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

People very often decide and insist that someone is a “repost bot!” with absolutely no evidence, as if someone couldn’t do that manually. Repost? Sure. Automated? Not necessarily.

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[–] Spiracle@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Kbin user here. It does not federate downvotes from lemmy. So far, I have a total of two (2) downvotes and every single interaction, including the one I got downvoted for, was quite positive.

No toxicity in normal interactions so far. The only (slightly) toxic comment sections were regarding meta topics of users complaining about toxicity elsewhere and/or wanting to defederate more communities. Even those discussions were nearly entirely polite and productive.

The only somwhat toxic topic I participated in was when one car-enthusiast complained about the fuckcars community and got called out throughout the comment section. Piling on like that was probably not the best way and they deleted their post some time after.

[–] schwim@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

Echo chambers are echo chambers, no matter the platform. As the voices grow, it gets louder. Just because it's an alternative to the mainstream, I wouldn't consider the members here smarter, more enlightened or savvier as a whole. Lemmy just got louder, that's all.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Unpopular opinion, but I really hate the soft bubble space every social media is becoming and welcome the freedom of speech. I'm not saying people should be harassing each other, but it is nice knowing I could call someone a fucking dumbass when they're being one and not expect an IP ban.

[–] Spiracle@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Yes and no. I’d prefer user choice/curating your own list of instance you interact with.

However, each community also adds further burden on moderation. The communities you allow affect the culture, and some are very clearly more trouble than others.

My current solution would be to have multiple accounts for different sections of the fediverse. Currently I only have a generic Kbin and a Lemmy account, but if you find a Lemmy instance that’s federated with the broader free-speech spectrum without just veering into insane territory itself, I’d be interested.

[–] Levsgetso@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think radical and hateful people should be called out but just insulting each other is going to radicalise them even further. The best way is to have a civil discussion and see the other’s pov, and when they can’t do anything but be an asshole, just ignore them.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think that anywhere that welcomes bigots is truly welcoming only to bigots. Not every site needs to pretend forever that bigots are just misguided souls who just need a lil' more understanding before they stop being bigots out of the goodness of their hearts because they've attained satori. Bigots can and do take advantage of sites like that.

If you want to engage with bigots, there's plenty of places for you to go do that. reddit, facebook, threads, xhitter, truth social, 4chan, the comments section of any youtube video, hell even lemmy has exploding-heads.

There's too many nazi bars already. Not every bar needs to be one.

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