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The Russian commander of the “Vostok” Battalion fighting in southern Ukraine said on Thursday that Ukraine will not be defeated and suggested that Russia freeze the war along current frontlines.

Alexander Khodakovsky made the candid concession yesterday on his Telegram channel after Russian forces, including his own troops, were devastatingly defeated by Ukrainian marines earlier this week at Urozhaine in the Zaporizhzhia-Donetsk regional border area.

“Can we bring down Ukraine militarily? Now and in the near future, no,” Khodakovsky, a former official of the so-called Donetsk People’s Republic, said yesterday.

“When I talk to myself about our destiny in this war, I mean that we will not crawl forward, like the [Ukrainians], turning everything into [destroyed] Bakhmuts in our path. And, I do not foresee the easy occupation of cities,” he said.

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[–] bloopernova@programming.dev 143 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Then. Just. Fucking. LEAVE!

[–] matchphoenix@feddit.uk 41 points 1 year ago

If only the little man at the big table didn’t have such a Napoleon complex

[–] frostwhitewolf@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It's all such a waste of human life and resources

[–] Tester@lemm.ee 58 points 1 year ago (16 children)

I think many people are forgetting that the larger army, vastly outnumbering Ukrainian resources in numbers, has not won a victory since the beginning of the invasion. And only presents a problem because the 2 countries cannot reliably use air power to overcome 1st WW trench warfare. Russia has defenses, but no ability to move forward. They are just trying to hold on to what they took in those first few months and are very slowly failing at that. If Ukraine can keep going, supported by the West, Russia will lose. I do not think Russia will use nukes -- any use of a nuke is basically on Russia's own land -- according to them -- and will affect them as much as Ukraine. But the question of ending the war is an interesting one. Do we see Russia continuing the war if they lose most of their ill-gotten territorial gains? What happens to those insecure areas? Are people going to rebuild, i.e. invest scarce resources in unstable areas? Or will they just become dead zones, DMZ borders?

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And only presents a problem because the 2 countries cannot reliably use air power to overcome 1st WW trench warfare

The US has just approved the transfer of F-16s to Ukraine. So that might change soon. IIRC, Ukraine has had a shortage of airplanes to use. Russia has been very reluctant to use the airplanes that they have because they keep getting shot down, and they simply can't replace them at the speed necessary (especially since their economy has crashed, and China is the only country that can supply them with the circuitry that they need).

A bigger problem is that Russia has air defenses and air bases inside Russia. NATO in general has been very reluctant to transfer offensive weapons to Ukraine that would make it possible to strike those--entirely legitimate--targets inside of Russia, because that would be an escalation. But to have air superiority, you need to ensure that those SAM batteries, RADAR installations, and forward air bases are not in the picture. So to break the stalemate, Ukraine has to be able to make strikes against Russia, in Russian territory. That's potentially very dangerous.

If it's allowed to grind on, Russia wins eventually, because they have a population many times the size of Ukraine, and can keep throwing bodies at them. So Ukraine needs to win air superiority, which means striking targets inside of Russia.

[–] catfish@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Regarding the F16, Ukrainian pilots are going to start testing the Gripen as well, although that path is obviously far behind the F16s given the glacial pace of such developments...

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[–] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The entire world (with a few exceptions) is fighting a proxy war against Russia via Ukraine. Of course you can't win, that's the whole idea.

[–] 432hz@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

More than just that, Russia has already lost because they revealed themselves to be a paper tiger AND that the rest of the world is sick of their bullshit.

They won't be invading any more countries for a long time. I'd wager more regions will declare independence from Russia, knowing they can.

Putin massively miscalculated.

[–] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Its possible he miscalculated.

It's also possible that his cancer is accelerating and he wanted to go out with a bang.

I think it's likely a combination of the two. He thought it would be a quick skirmish and he'd be able to reunite the USSR.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

He wanted his legacy to be the founder of a reborn Soviet Union. Now his legacy will be that he was a sad, sad old man who destroyed Russia on the world stage in front of everybody and broke the illusion that Russia was any sort of global superpower. The aftereffects of this invasion will be felt for decades to come. Ukraine will be rebuilt stronger and better than ever before, while Russia will likely splinter apart or collapse.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“We can [though] enter a phase that is most unfavorable for Ukraine in its ‘independent’ state: a phase of neither peace nor war. We could be in this phase if, instead of the special military operation, the [currently occupied] territories were recognized and officially taken under guardianship. But it would require a completely different twist of history,” Khodakovsky said.

I find it consistently amazing and hilarious that Russian strategic leadership appears entirely incapable of recognizing that they can’t simply dictate geopolitics, warfare, and international borders to external parties. Ukraine - and to a lesser degree, its allies - get a vote too, and they’re not going to be “freezing” anything for the foreseeable future.

[–] rammer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately there are those in the west that agree. Either because they are paid/blackmailed to agree. Or they have been misled by the former.

[–] AsRedAsMonkeysAss@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

He's gonna jump out d window soon

[–] st33lb0ne@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Russia allready lost. They just keep ignoring it

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[–] whataboutshutup@discuss.online 21 points 1 year ago

Keep in mind, that he is a mouth for some factions inside russia and his message is mostly for internal consumption. There are motives behind what he speaks. Probably testing the reaction of local population towards this idea. And yes, a person saying that (without someone's protection or even order) may be easily presecuted under new laws.

[–] slimarev92@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Why do officers in the Russian army have Telegram channels?

[–] ATQ@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

For the same reason they have Strava, and for that we thank them.

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[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This was obvious on February 25th, 2022, he realized now?

[–] anewbeginning@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It was definitely not obvious that early.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It became obvious once the EU and NATO committed to sending aid and supplies.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah... even with it's atrophied industrial muscles, you don't out-build the US and Europe combined. Worst case scenario comes when the US and Europe actually start committing to wartime production. We're still not doing that. Almost everything so far has been from old stocks and supplies.

During World War II, the US sent 1,911 locomotives, and 11,225 railcars to the Soviet Union under the lend-lease program, just as an example of the scale of production we have achieved in the past. The US has many many many flaws, but we've demonstrated a history of being able to out-build everyone once we're committed to it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

Another phenomenal one was that the US shipyards put out an average of one Liberty Ship every TWO days (every other day....) from 1941 to 1945. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_ship

Hell, we made 270+ destroyers during WWII. It's a mind bending quantity of ships produced: https://destroyerhistory.org/fletcherclass/

We can't afford healthcare, our cities are rotting out, and our schools are being undermined by small minded bigots, but we can sure as hell build weapons. If there's a will to fight, and NATO is committed to supplying you, you'll never lack for hardware.

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[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago
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