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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

US media is certainly working hard to manufacture consent for a nuclear holocaust right now.

[–] graphito@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

πŸ€” I wonder do you consider nukes to be a weapon of "combat battle"?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] graphito@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Okay, I'll try that again but slower: do you support using a tactical nuclear weapons on a battlefield?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I do not support the use of nuclear weapons, and the only country that has an ambiguous stance on using nuclear weapons is US.

[–] graphito@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I do not support the use of nuclear weapons

Including when Russia doing it? Or is there some 4D chess kicking in in that moment?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Except Russia isn't doing it, if it did I would condemn it. In the real world, it's the U.S. that threatens to use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear threat.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Russia made a statement that included using nuclear weapons to defend any land it sees itself as owning while at the same time declaring land that it doesn't even occupy to be part of Russia. I don't see how that's not a massive escalation.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We went over this before Russia never made such a statement. The only time Russia will use nuclear weapons would be in case of an existential threat to Russia. This is the official Russian nuclear stance and it has never changed. You keep trying to twist it into something that it's not, and I wonder why you keep insisting on doing that. Could you explain yourself here?

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This was the statement:

In the event of a threat to the territorial integrity of our country and to defend Russia and our people, we will certainly make use of all weapon systems available to us. This is not a bluff.

Russia official counts parts of Ukraine that it does not occupy as its territory, so accordingly all bets are off on what weapons it can use.

Speaking of that nuclear stance, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (creators of the Doomsday Clock) was rather unimpressed. There's plenty of fine print that leaves room to use nuclear weapons under conditions that you are not envisioning. A Ukraine in NATO? Under certain views, that's an existential threat to Russia, even if NATO has no interest in ever crossing Russian borders.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Once again, Russia's nuclear stance is not that it will use nuclear weapons if its territory is attacked. The stance is that Russia will use nuclear weapons in case of an existential threat. Do you not understand the difference between those statements, or are you intentionally ignoring it?

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm reading over the policy and seeing that there's enough room in there to launch a rocket if someone was stupid enough to want to. You just have to think that the state is under threat due to the loss of the invasion into Ukraine.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

That's emphatically not what the document says.

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The United States is a real danger to the planet and to world peace. Elders who govern, a moron longing for dictators and another who is unable to find the exit from the podium without a GPS.

[–] VictimOfReligion@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

For fuck's sake, have you seen the new spatial army uniform? Unapologetic fascist design

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This have very strong vibes of British Empire In Space, i guess they read a lot of Weber, Sterling, Drake, Honsinger etc. books.

Nice to see you again comrade!

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago

Yes.

That is all, there is literally nothing more to say. Continuing down this path will lead to the eradication of humanity.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Russia’s invasion earlier this year accelerated the profiteering

The fuck is this noise? As I've said time and time again, it was Russia's choice to invade Ukraine. Trying to blame it on the US or NATO is just bullshit blame shifting.

[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)
[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

And what forced Russia to invade? Did the US secretly put neurotoxin in Putin's underwear? Were they threatening to invade Russia?

[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you just ignore us or did you not know how to read the whole time we were arguing with you

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

I read every bit, and when it's a bunch of hogwash I usually chuckle to myself as well. What of it?

[–] vekku@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Probably not, since China seems to have ordered Russia to stop threatening the world with Nuclear Annihilation.

More likely, rulers who have been rulers for far too long will lead to it. Russia's Putin, North Korea's Kim dynasty, possibly China's Xi Jinping some time later if he keeps hanging to power for another decade.

[–] m532@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Civilized countries don't use nukes. The threat is the one uncivilized country that uses nukes.

[–] Matheo_bis@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Ban this guy