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This sounds fucking wild. I've heard about doing this before, but I assumed we were far off actually trying it in any practical sense
I hope this actually happens
First space death ray confirmed. Exciting news!
Edit:
No, the system by design cannot be used as or converted into a weapon.
The aperture size of transmitter and receiving antenna are sized to keep the maximum beam intensity at or below 245 W/m2. This is only one quarter of the intensity of sunlight at midday, which is around 1,000 W/m2.
Lacking a common power bus, it would not be possible to re-purpose the power distributed across the platform to power a separate laser or particle weapon.
The aperture size of transmitter and receiving antenna are sized to keep the maximum beam intensity at or below 245 W/m2. This is only one quarter of the intensity of sunlight at midday, which is around 1,000 W/m2.
So it could be testing the feasability of the next sattelite that will be a weapon with a different aperture size.
- capture light in space
- shine light down to earth
- capture light on earth
- sell electricity for profit
simple as
Yeah im curious about it but it sounds like lossy-er solar farming.. Perhaps its about surface area and around the clock availability?
Now i imagine pirate power radiostations..
Yeah im curious about it but it sounds like lossy-er solar farming.. Perhaps its about surface area and around the clock availability?
Presumably. Just the ability to run it at maximum efficiency for 24 hours would probably more than cancel out conversion losses.
So i should start building my free energy pirate station soon? :p
I would be surprised if they manage to make it work at that scale.
Question, if electricity can be transmitted as a radio signal, why could we generate power here on earth in areas where renewables are super abundant (turbines in the ocean, giant waterfalls, deserts for solar, et cetera) and transmit that around the earth to areas where it's needed? Why does it have to be in space for this to work?
Also, can someone please explain how the fuck we wirelessly transmit electricity, and how it's different from the Tesla thing?
Also, can someone please explain how the fuck we wirelessly transmit electricity
It's not electricity per se which is transmitted, i.e., electrons which pass through some material (like in cables, or through air when a lightning strikes and the air becomes a plasma through the electric ionization process).
It is radio waves. Electromagnetic waves of a specific spectrum. Like light, WiFi, TV signals (via antenna), Lasers, etc..
It is a form of energy transmission.
There is a whole field about wireless power transfer. One of them some use everyday: wireless inductive chargers for some smartphones or electric toothbrushes. Those rely on the Lorentz force: if you create a varying magnetic field on the one side and have a coil on the other, you can transfer energy. Read up on Lorentz forces and magnetic induction if you want to learn more. Faraday's law of induction would be another good read.
Regarding the spacey stuff, that's trickier. Applying Lorentz principles here on such a scale would be extremely inefficient and probably dangerous as you would need to create an enormous magnetic field.
So using focused beams of radio waves has much less losses. Depending on the type of radiation, or wavelength to be more precise, microwaves or even lasers are used for the transmission, whereas microwaves are preferred due to less atmospheric scatterings. They are not allowed be too strong as that would pose several hazards. Instead it has signal strenghts which are safe. To maximize throughput multiple beams could be used.
Important: this is now electromagnetic stuff, not purely magnetic stuff as with the inductive chargers.
So how does this work from source to receiver?
- Source: Sun, emits a shitload of light, other radiation and therby energy.
- Sunwaves hit photovoltaic panels on the satellite.
- Panels generate direct currents by this.
- Direct current gets converted into alternating current (we need this to create electromagnetic beams)
- AC gets formed into beams (electromagnetic waves such as microwaves) and emitted at a specific location on earth.
- On earth some form of antenna receives these beams. Due to the way these antennas work, an electric alternating current is generated. (See dipole antenna for a simple example.)
- This AC needs to go through some transformations to meet some electric specifications to be directly feeded into the elctric grid.
- Alternatively can be transformed into DC again and directly be used, stored in batteries or, depending on the grid, be feeded into that.
Done.
Question, if electricity can be transmitted as a radio signal, why could we generate power here on earth in areas where renewables are super abundant (turbines in the ocean, giant waterfalls, deserts for solar, et cetera) and transmit that around the earth to areas where it's needed? Why does it have to be in space for this to work?
In theory, we absolutely could do that. This has some practical limitations though which makes it more complicated and less efficient.
Transferring energy on a more "horziontal" way on earth would need to overcome a plethora of obstacles like buildings or mountains. Furthermore such long range transmissions would suffer from a lot more atmospheric scattering, be sensitive to moisture and weather conditions etc. Also, we would need to have large antennas and tightly focused beams which is a big technical challenge and would further loose efficiency, especially over long dictances.
We would also need to guarantee much more "safe corridors" to efficiently transmit without causing harm. And over long distances within the atmosphere the beams must be much stronger to effectively carry enough energy, as much is lost due to scattering, absorption etc..
From space a lot of these difficulties don't exist or don't have such a large impact.
On very short distances should be less of a problem.
I can imagine, however, transferring energy into space to a satellite, which then forwards it to another receiver at a very different place on earth. Such relay satellite concepts are also not new as I've seen. They've just not been made yet. But that's surely just a question of time. They face further challenges, since at each intermediate power station you have energy losses, but they could provide much more flexibility. I don't see this as an issue which can't be overcome.
Sry if this answer isn't really polished. I tried to convey the most important aspects and am too tired for anything more. Hope this helps.
Think of transmitting power using a lightbulb and a solar panel. The tesla method was beaming its power in all directions, like a lightbulb, so a solar panel placed elsewhere would only be catching a tiny amount of the transmitted power. Very inefficient. So instead, we use something more like a laser- we get a collumnated beam of energy we can send straight to our panel, which is much less wasteful. Of course, actually using a laser and a solar panel aren't ideal because they're both pretty inefficient, so we use a lower frequency we can work with more efficiently, like microwaves. We still incur some heavy losses doing this though. This also explains why we don't beam power away from areas with plentiful renewables, line losses in normal grids makes exporting energy to somewhere across the globe infeasible, and the costs of enough space infrastructure to beam power around are way higher than the low return you'd be able to get by converting energy to microwaves and back twice. In fact, the inefficiencies from this process are bad enough that it already makes space based solar economically challenging. Maybe when starship becomes operational and launch costs drop another order of magnitude, it'll be viable, but until then I think our photovoltiacs are better placed on the ground.
Given their abundance of geothermal energy (they keep their footpaths ice-free year round and still have enough to power energy-hungry facilities such as aluminium smelters and data centres), Iceland is probably the country that least needs this.
Most of Iceland's energy usage is from geothermal sources, but only about a quarter of the electricity is. They do a lot of direct heating with it, literally just heating up a whole bunch of water and running that hot water through pipes to houses and pavements and such, rather than having electricity-powered heating elements everywhere. Most of their electricity production is from hydro though, so it's still very clean
We donβt need to heat the water, itβs already hot when it comes from the ground π
Well there are places where the cold water is heated up using the hot water before it goes to peoples houses because the original hot water smells and tastes badβ¦
And where the pavements and walkways are heated itβs the exess water flowing away after being used to heat the houses not the other way around
The Soviets tried this before; not explicitly for power but for lighting.
They had these in a game I used to play, I wanna say Sim City 2000? It was called a microwave power plant and I think occasionally the beam coming to Earth would miss the power plant and start a fire, but my memory's a bit fuzzy.
That sounds absolutely insane, maybe its April 1st in iceland?
inb4 "ackshully..."
The company aims to have a scaled-up version of the system in space by 2036, which would supply gigawatts of electricity.
by 2036? We are all dead by then...