Vote democrat : notvoting

[–] auk 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

So instead of "Democrats," it should say "Netanyahu."

And also, Trump has a machine gun, and the Democrats are sitting in the corner saying, "Hey, don't do that. I don't think you should do that." They don't seem to be doing much other than that.

And the same people who are screaming about how the Democrats bought the bullets in the first place are also, for the most part, screaming that Trump will do 10 times worse, and please don't elect him. Also he wants to walk outside and start shooting all kinds of random people all over the apartment complex. Also he wants to give Netanyahu his second machine gun so Netanyahu can go through the apartment finishing off the guy's family. He's really mad about the whole "Hey, don't do that," thing.

I am glad that you are safe enough to not be able to see a difference between Kamala Harris's sometime reprehensible foreign policy, and Trump who simply wants to burn the world and kill the children. Not everyone has that luxury. Please don't subject them to Trump, while you're making your little meme.

[–] Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Fuck you Americans with your privilege to not be fucking genocided with US made bombs. Do you think a Palestinian child cares if the bomb that kills them is is sent by Harris or Trump? Take a fucking stance for once jesus christ.

[–] mambabasa 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You think I have privilege to not see a difference??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. WHAT PRIVILEGE? The privilege to be shot at by American bullets? The privilege for Biden to support the murderous and corrupt regime in my country? The privilege for American imperialism to rob my country? To the global south, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. Both Democrats and Republicans are imperialist bastards. Both Trump and Harris would facilitate Wall Street looting my country.

You're the one with privilege to go around and think you have a choice. But no matter your choice, it will mean robbery and death for my people and the people of the Global South.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Have you checked with the Iranians on this? Or seen what some of the leaders of the “uncommitted” movement feel about it, or for that matter the Ukrainians?

[–] mambabasa 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They can't vote too, so why would you care? They're just abstract people for you to moralize about. The Iranians and Ukrainians I know are anti-imperialist while being opposed to their own governments.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh, interesting. Very interesting.

The Iranians you know have no particular feeling about Trump? That’s very interesting. Do you want to check with them again? Maybe ask them specifically about him, if it hasn’t come up in conversation with them maybe?

[–] mambabasa 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh you mean the Iranian anarchists? Yeah they hate trump, but they hate voting more. Yeah I've checked in with them.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat -3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, every time I talk with anarchists in the global south, that's exactly what they say. They say, we hate that people in the United States vote. It's the worst thing in the world. All their flyers talk about it, all their lectures touch on it. I'm surprised that stance doesn't get more publicity. I mean, if they were able to get fewer people in the US to vote, all of a sudden things would get better for them. Clearly.

[–] mambabasa 2 points 2 weeks ago

Really proud that you're voting for genocide huh? Real proud. If I were voting for Harris, I'd feel nothing but shame because there was nothing else I could do. You made your choice to be proud of her program of genocide.

[–] ProIsh@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

While you wait for the perfect candidate the world will burn around you.

[–] mambabasa 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The world is already burning around me. I'm not asking for perfection. I'm asking to stop burning the world around me. I'm asking to stop a genocide. I'm asking to stop sending weapons to genocidaires. I'm asking to stop moving to the goddamn right and pandering to the right. I'm asking to save trans lives.

Also I can't vote in your Hitlerite election anyway so what would it matter.

[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You can't vote in our election, so you're trying to make sure the absolute worst happens in the US? You're unwittingly helping to plot your own demise. That's not helping anybody, that's vengeance.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 1 points 2 weeks ago

You can’t vote in our election, so you’re trying to make sure the absolute worst happens in the US?

Don’t forget the absolute worst happening in the Middle East, to the world’s climate policy, in Ukraine, and god knows where else. That will happen also.

[–] mambabasa 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

“Trying to make sure the absolute worst happens” HAHAHAHA. Don't kid yourself. You think you're so important with your little vote. You think I can affect your election? Laughable. I'm posting because I'm pissed off and it lets off steam, not because I am deluded by own agency.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You could, instead, help post agitprop for change, lord knows we need it. Posting agitprop to make things even worse than the bad that they already are is not that.

[–] mambabasa 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Get your head out of your ass. No agitprop will spark a revolution. No posting will. Stop deluding yourself with your own self-importance. Or my importance for that matter. I'm not “making things worse,” I am showing the truth and y'all can't handle it. Y'all would rather vote for genocide, your own included. The revolution will not be televized or posted. I happen to do real good work but I don't post about it and never will.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why would you not?

Why prioritize instead something that won’t have any impact?

[–] mambabasa 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The things I do have impact. Posting isn't a priority. Though it clarifies who my enemies are, those who would not see genocide as a deal breaker.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sounds to me like you don’t see the climate apocalypse, mass deportations, accelerated genocide in the Middle East, use of nuclear weapons, and god knows what else, as a deal breaker. You’re fine with all of that, as long as you don’t have to contend with your greatest enemy: Voting.

Much better for the power to simply accrue to whoever has the money and connections to accrue it, unmoored from an organized system to try to keep the voice of the people involved in the machinery of government. Sounds great. I hope you don’t have to witness the results in this particular election.

I’ve learned as much as I want to about what you believe and have no interest in furthering this conversation.

[–] mambabasa 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The climate apocalypse? That Biden doesn't do shit about but gaslights us into thinking he does? Waiter, waiter! More drilling under Harris please!
Mass deportations? Did Biden close the concentration camps? Nope. Kids still in cages, mass deportations still happening. Harris literally supports a stronger border (as if it isn't lethal enough)
Genocide? Harris supports it. You're not voting for Palestine, you never were. Don't kid yourself. You're voting for your own comfort.
Nuclear weapons? I'd like to see a candidate support decreasing the nuclear stockpile!

You're a coward for deluding yourself that you're voting for change when in fact you're voting for your own comfort. You're not voting for change, you're voting for death that isn't your own.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You need to tell the climate scientists all about how Biden didn't do anything, they've got it all wrong.

https://www.vox.com/climate/362478/joe-biden-climate-change-legacy

You need to tell the immigration activists, too, they've also got it all wrong.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/10/trump-immigration-advocates-resistance-the-worst-scenario-mass-deportation-preparation-migration/

Harris seems okay with Israel's genocide, which sure isn't great. Trump wants to accelerate it and move it into new areas of the world. Even by the pretty bloodthirsty standard of US presidents, he's unusually maniacal and bloodthirsty. And yet, you're spending some of your finite amount of agitation-on-the-internet time specifically trying to get people not to resist him. Sounds like you're fine with genocide, and I am not.

I'm not sure how you got it twisted around in your head that me not wanting someone who will accelerate the genocide, means I love genocide. Like I said, discrediting the idea of reducing harm because of an abstract concept and philosophy, is a privileged position, taken by a privileged person who isn't in the firing line of the harm. Someone who's actually being harmed will generally fight for every inch they can get.

[–] mambabasa 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Scientists are screaming to the top of their lungs in saying the world, much less the most powerful man in the world, isn't doing enough. He is the most powerful man in the world. Biden could stop the drilling if he wanted to. Harris could campaign on the same.
Oh did the concentration camps close? That's what I care about. I'd support closing the camps! Anything less is sophistry.
Get your head out of your ass. Voting isn't resistance against genocide. You're cosigning it asshole! Don't say you're voting for Palestine, because you're not. You're a coward who won't do the real work of taking down the empire.
Don't you see the irony here? YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO CHOOSE FOR GENOCIDE. You have no idea how weak, how pathetic your vote is. YOU HAVE NO CHOICE. You COULD recognize this and recognize the absolute tragedy, the farce, feel absolute shame, hide your vote from the world from knowing (who would know? it's a secret ballot) OR you could defend the program you're supporting, as you are doing now. Your choice has been made. You are supporting the candidate for genocide. That's it. There's nothing else to it.
If you had any sense of SHAME of the HAVING NO CHOICE BUT TO CHOOSE GENOCIDE, you can shut the fuck up, stop defending Biden and Harris, and never speak of your vote again for the shamefulness that it is.
Be by utmost guest. Go ahead and vote for 99% Hitler. I won't stop you. I couldn't even if I wanted to. But I won't let you forget what you are choosing. THAT'S why I'm posting.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hey, how do you feel about the genocide in Xinjiang? Is that a red line?

[–] mambabasa 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What do you think I am? An unprincipled tankie? Have you even talked to a real person analyzing the genocide in Uyghuristan? No, you just want to compare genocides and imperialisms like some pissing contest.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What do you think I am? An unprincipled tankie?

I was wondering about it, yes. You are the very first one of the "I'm not from the US, but I feel INCREDIBLY strongly about how important it is that people not vote in the US election, and that method of agitation is my chief opinion about how to make good things happen in the world" accounts that hasn't reacted to that question by claiming there is no genocide in Xinjiang. I always thought that was weird. They feel very strongly about genocide as relates to the internal politics of one country they are not from, but not about a different country they are not from.

Obviously, they are both bad things in actuality. I'm not trying to compare. The genocide in Palestine is horrifying, and like I say, not wanting it to accelerate and get substantially worse is one big reason I don't want Trump.

It seems like you're just going in a loop over the same type of arguments in endless repetition, so like I said, I think I've learned about as much as I wanted to learn from this. If you want to have some reasoned discussion I am up for it, but if it's just more of this, then no thank you. I was just curious on your attitude to Xinjiang.

[–] mambabasa 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What reasonable discussion could be had through a spirited defense of a genocidaire? All you have is sophistry. Just rest in your shamefulness and shut up. Vote if you want, but don't forget what you are cosigning.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Absolutely. You're advocating for something which risks making genocide ten times more widespread, and I spent some time talking with you, taking your arguments head-on and explaining why I don't agree with them. You could do the same with my arguments if you wanted to. Instead you're going in circles. If you want to chat with me at some point in the future, start by taking my arguments head-on in the same way, instead of just circling back to the beginning of your own argument and repeating it with some capital letters added in.

[–] mambabasa 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Advocating? What am I advocating for? I told you I won't and can't stop people from voting. What I'm advocating is that you don't forget what you're cosigning, that you are voting for genocide whether you like it or not and therefore you should feel shameful about it.

Not once have I advocated abstentionism, not even in real life or in my own country. People just be making shit up about what I'm actually arguing. I'm just here to make you feel shame for defending a genocidaire. I told you won't stop you from voting; I'm just here to remind you what you're choosing.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Choosing less genocide, instead of more? I’m supposed to feel bad about that? Fuck no, I will not. Why on earth would I?

If you give me an option which is achievable, now or in the future, which is better than Harris in terms of what the US does and supports, I will take it. In the meantime, fuck off with your “tons more genocide is the same as some genocide, whee, look at me and my superiority over the people who want less genocide” stuff.

Like I said, you’re going in circles, and I am not interested. Have a good one.

[–] mambabasa 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Shameless. You're sitting there, choosing genocide is nothing to feel bad about. Just shameless. Truly a worthless cause.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

[–] mambabasa 2 points 2 weeks ago

Non-argument. Don't delude yourself that I have power over your Hitlerite election. Rather:

[–] BlackRoseAmongThorns 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And liberals and self proclaimed leftists will defend these neo liberals while shutting down brown people for feeling unsafe.

Shit I'm Israeli and this reminds me of home, 2 big fascist parties who control what's considered a political possibility. Anyone who tries to make others just look at the shit situation they're in, voting between an evil, and the other, greater evil it uses as legitimization to it's own existence, anyone who'll try to make other look at the greater picture is considered a traitor.

As if legitimizing and empowering racists isn't being a traitor to one's own humanity.

Wish we had a space for letting out steam about this situation, instead of having to attract this kind of attention everywhere we go.

[–] JacobCoffinWrites 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Wish we had a space for letting out steam about this situation, instead of having to attract this kind of attention everywhere we go.

I don't think there's a way to make the community private to just members, but it could be set to local only. That might help but I'm not sure how much it would change, I think it'd still show up on the local feed on slrpnk.net. I just see it there, so I'm not sure how other people from other instances find it.

That said, from recent conversations I get the impression that at least some members want this to reach lots of people and scold/shame them, so this community might not be a good candidate for a dedicated 'letting off steam' spot. I do hope you're able to find one.

[–] BlackRoseAmongThorns 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

For me it's more about finding community, me being Israeli kinda means I'm alone, in thinking the way i do. This makes for a creeping feeling of going insane, like I'm just "seeing things" and should keep to myself, this isn't healthy, these kinds of posts, even when meaning to scold and agitate, make me feel like there's someone to talk to. Too bad they're busy arguing tho lol

[–] JacobCoffinWrites 2 points 2 weeks ago

I think I can see that. It's a deeply surreal feeling, when it seems like your whole society sincerely believes something you think is obviously wrong.

[–] Cleggory@lemmy.world -4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Democrats know Harris is a bad candidate.

Dems never cite her actual record to defend her, they only ever change the topic to Trump.

The mental gymnastics performances will continue until the election when the floodgates will burst with hindsight.

[–] auk 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"No fair pointing out that the other guy wants to kill the children and burn the world! I want to know: How good is the alternative. It better be fantastic. Like really good. Or else I don't care."

(Kamala Harris's record is fine, but it barely matters. If one item on the menu is rat poison and the other is edible food, I don't need to know how many Michelin stars the food got.)

[–] Cleggory@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

"Kamala Harris has a FINE record of genocide, defending wrongful convictions (George Gage and Daniel Larsen) and supporting hundreds of millions in border wall funding!"

it barely matters.

At least you admit your immunity to facts and logic.

the other is edible food,

Perhaps the most generous description of Harris I have heard so far.

S: https://www.axios.com/2024/08/27/kamala-harris-flip-flops-border-wall

[–] mambabasa 1 points 3 weeks ago

They know she's an indefensible cop in a post-George Floyd world.

Not voting (in your election)