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this post was submitted on 31 Jul 2024
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The second one.
vegans bother me because they're right. I never hated them for it, just know there's a cognitive dissonance I can't keep ignoring
I don't hate vegans. I hate evangelists.
Yeah I never call out anything. The other week I was at the shops watching someone go on a racist tirade against the clerk for getting something wrong, all I was thinking was "that's cool, everyone lives their own truth".
It's so sweet being enlightened. Morality is relative and all.
I respect your right to have the opinion that these two issues are remotely equivalent.
Yeah fair call. I mean the human can always quit their job, fight back, or seek justice.
Filthy bloodmouthed carnist here, I reckon this does does genuinely make a difference for a lot of people! Generally folks don’t like being wrong, and the loudest and most narcissistic among them hate it with a special kind of passion.
You can always tell em apart too, because they’ll have the most godawful reasoning if you grill em. Shit like “buh meat gave early man big brains!” So what? Eating soy ONCE is gonna make it shrink? Hilarious.
Factory farming is terrible but we don't all need to be vegan to end those practices.
Outside of that, if you consider normal killing for food 'terrible', then all animals do terrible things to animals. That's just life.
Humans are animals too, the difference is we evolved the capacity for guilt and projecting ourselves into the future to imagine the effects of climate change.
Those are why I don't eat red meat and eat vegetarian once a week. If everyone did that we wouldn't need factory farms and we also wouldn't need to be vegan.
I like how vegans are happy to downvote me without refuting a single line of logic... because you know I'm right, you just don't want to admit it.
Thus revealing the real reason most vegans are vegan; most of you care more about feeling superior to everyone else than about finding realistic solutions to the problems you conveniently blame others for.
Vegans are usually tired of endlessly debunking the same arguments.
if you consider normal killing for food ‘terrible’, then all animals do terrible things to animals. That’s just life.
What's considered terrible is killing animals when it's not needed. Nowadays we don't need to eat meat, so killing animals to eat them is not necessary for us. Animals in the wild usually can't avoid killing other animals to survive.
And there are many things that are "just life" but we still don't allow them. Like for example group rape (ducks) or eating your babies (lions). Being "just life" is not an argument that helps to decide whether something is desirable.
Humans are animals too, the difference is we evolved the capacity for guilt and projecting ourselves into the future to imagine the effects of climate change.
It's more about having the capacity to make moral choices (moral agency). Animals are not moral agents, but we are.
And veganism has nothing to do with climate change. Vegans generally have a lower carbon footprint, but it's a side effect, it's not the reason they became vegan.
Those are why I don’t eat red meat and eat vegetarian once a week. If everyone did that we wouldn’t need factory farms and we also wouldn’t need to be vegan.
Have you done the maths? If everyone ate meat at every meal except one per week, the demand for meat would actually be bigger than it currently is. That's because most of the world population currently cannot afford meat at every meal.