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Main obstacles facing the adoption of kite sails, the modern day answer to the Age of Sail, are not engineering-related, but social. (slrpnk.net)

submitted 2 years ago by zksmk to c/energy

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A conventional ship with an easily deployable and retractable kite sail system burns less fuel than one without it. It's a type of hybrid vehicle, that has two propulsion methods, the main reliable one, and the supplementary one, for fuel efficiency. With the system installed and the kite in use, the ship saves an estimated 15% of fuel. However:

"There's a structural problem slowing down the process: ship owners (who have to make the investment) often don't pay for the fuel – that's the charterer's duty. The charterer on the other side doesn't charter the ship for long enough a period to make installing low-carbon, but potentially expensive, untested technologies pay back."

The lack of carbon emissions regulations for shipping and low fuel prices have added to these difficulties. The shipping industry is responsible for around 940 million tonnes of CO2 annually, which is about 2.5% of the world's total CO2 emissions.

A company behind these (SkySails GmbH), while technically successful at cutting shipping costs and carbon emissions, has faced economic difficulties. Since then, the company (reborn as SkySails Group GmbH) has switched to land-based airborne wind energy systems for electricity production from high-altitude winds.

What do you think? Yay or nay? Is this technology dead in the water? Not worth the effort? Will we see ships like these in the near or distant future? What needs to change?

Some good reads:

http://www.vos.noaa.gov/MWL/apr_09/skysails.shtml

https://rctom.hbs.org/submission/lets-go-fly-a-kite-skysails-and-climate-change/

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[–] poVoq 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Its cool tech, but even more important would be to prevent these ships from using dirty bunker fuel on international waters and just discharging what ever they want to get rid off into the ocean. Some steps are being taken in that direction, but there should be massive fines for anyone found in violation regardless of if it happened in national or international waters.

[–] beetsnuami 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm impressed that shows a meaningful effect at all, cargo ships are so heavy…

[–] zksmk 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Indeed. However, they are also very slow (usually around 30 km/h) and more importantly very slow to change that speed (cargo ships starts braking 5-10 km before port). The ships' engines aren't doing a ton of work themselves either, per unit of time.

Work per time is power in physics. A ship like this has an engine of about 100 000 horse power per google, which is about 400 cars' worth of power. And 10th of that is about 40 cars. Which matches thereabouts a huge sail in a strong wind at large altitude in the open ocean like this, I think. Back of the envelope math checks out.

[–] hfkldjbuq@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The company should obviously have had understood the problem, business, market very well before coming up with a solution; seems like in this step they missed it or did not do it good enough. That's it.

[–] zksmk 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is one of those situations where the free market doesn't give desirable results, and where a government could step in and give subsidies for this goal, assuming it were serious about decreasing GHG emissions.

There would be no profit for the state, beyond less climate change, but the shipping industry would profit, having to spend less fuel.

[–] hfkldjbuq@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

government could step in and give subsidies for this goal, assuming it were serious about decreasing GHG emissions.

that and government should actually step in firmer: laws for regulating companies to much limit ghg emissions. basically

Lobby governments: Without formal regulations requiring caps on emissions, it is unlikely that shipping companies will be incentivized to invest in costly solutions. Skysail could work with organisations like the Transport and Environment organisation to promote a change in transport regulations.

---https://rctom.hbs.org/submission/lets-go-fly-a-kite-skysails-and-climate-change/

but companies' lobby for maintaining status quo, for max profit is strong... some companies are arguably more powerful than government.

To further aggravate the problem government agencies proved to be of little help to the KiteShip team and, in fact, provided much regulatory hindrance.

---https://www.vos.noaa.gov/MWL/apr_09/skysails.shtml