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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And I don’t think I ever will. As I said earlier, “There is no military goal that justifies killing “any amount” of civilians. All of them have limits, which are based on military capabilities.”

Israel's goal is to destroy Hamas. Every time they kill innocent children, they create more members of Hamas. Therefore, their goal is any amount of children including 100% of them.

Sorry, I'm not going to stop making this about children just because you don't want it to be.

So when do you think they should stop killing children before it is no longer justified?

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Israel's goal is to destroy Hamas. Every time they kill innocent children, they create more members of Hamas. Therefore, their goal is any amount of children including 100% of them.

Destroying Hamas means destroying the current leadership, so it can no longer function.

It's true that Israel is running the risk of inciting hatred and creating more fighters, but those future fighters won't be in Hamas. They will be in some other organization that replaces Hamas, just like Hamas replaced Fatah.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Destroying Hamas means destroying the leadership, so it can no longer function.

Where is that claimed? Or is that just your opinion?

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

These were Netanyahu's goals in October:

destruction of Hamas’s military and governing capabilities; and returning the hostages home

And these are Netanyahu's current goals:

Seizing the Rafah Crossing is a very significant step towards destroying the remaining military capabilities of Hamas, including the elimination of the four terrorist battalions in Rafah, and an important step to damage the governmental capabilities of Hamas

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You mean his goals keep changing? Hmm... seems like a constantly changing military objective would allow you to kill an unlimited number of children justifiably based on your reasoning.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

In October, he said he wanted

  1. destruction of Hamas’s military
  2. and governing capabilities;
  3. and returning the hostages home

Today, he says the Rafah operation is a significant step towards

  1. destroying the remaining military capabilities of Hamas, including the elimination of the four terrorist battalions in Rafah,
  2. and an important step to damage the governmental capabilities of Hamas

The first two goals look unchanged.

There is no mention of hostages in my quote. Maybe he isn't interested in that any more, but it's entirely possible he mentioned it elsewhere and I didn't see it.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

destruction of Hamas’s military

You mean the military that grows every time a child is killed. So this never ends and children never stop being killed.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No, Hamas forces are steadily getting smaller. If there are new recruits, they are not enough to make up for the losses.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you won't even acknowledge what even The Jerusalem Post acknowledges, I can't help you. You're clearly not living in the real world.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-783159

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

No, Hamas forces are steadily getting smaller. If there are new recruits, they are not enough to make up for the losses.

Your link:

Hamas may have lost half its battalion commanders by December, while half its battalions had been broken down as well.

The article suggests that they can recruit in the future, and maybe they can. Or maybe Palestinian militants will join a different organization, as I suggested.

But for now, Hamas is definitely smaller than they were in October.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You either did not read the whole article or are dishonestly taking that line out of context.

But for now, they are smaller than they were in October.

This is also dishonest because we are not talking about "for now," we are talking about how this war will end, if it ever does.

You clearly have an honesty problem and I don't see why I should continue this discussion further.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You said the Hamas military is growing. It isn't.

You showed me an article that speculates about how it might grow in the future, but that doesn't mean it's growing now. It doesn't even mean it will grow in the future. It's just speculation.

As for how this war will end: I don't know and neither do you. You seem to think that Israel will kill 100% of Palestinian children but I don't believe that will happen.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You showed me an article that speculates about how it might grow in the future

Which is what we are obviously talking about when talking about reaching a military objective.

I am tired of your blatant dishonesty. This has all been about justifying Israeli genocide and I wish you had just been honest about that from the start.

Goodbye.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Which is what we are obviously talking about when talking about reaching a military objective.

Are you suggesting that Israel cannot achieve its military objective?

Maybe so, but that does not mean that they intend to "kill all children" (or that doing so would be justified), despite your assertions.

[–] Hamartia@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

I have been trying to follow this discussion, but this is taking it a bit too far...

Would it be rude to suggest a ceasefire?