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‘I am starting to panic about my child’s future’: climate scientists wary of starting families
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 10 May 2024
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I decided that I personally felt unethical bringing people into this world nearly a decade ago
What if your kid was going to be the one to fix everything though? Lol now we are doomed
We're not in a movie. Climate change isn't going be solved by one brilliant scientist. It's not even a scientific/technology problem at this point, it's a political one.
You nailed it with this comment, I agree completely. We have the technology, we've HAD the technology to solve the problem, and we've KNOWN what the problem is for a long time now. We have GREEDY fucks in high positions of power who wouldn't make any money solving it though, that's the problem.
Maybe his kid was going to assassinate a bunch of billionaires.
If it is solved it will definitely be through technology of some sort. While I agree it will not be one brilliant scientist, technology will be the solution.
That technology may come in the form of a way to produce more energy without fucking up the climate, and the engineering and logistical capacity to roll out the change at a breakneck pace.
It may come in the form of simply developing a way to control the global climate directly.
It might come in the form of some technology to control the behavior of humans so that we can actually respond appropriately.
Or it might come in the form of the singularity, when self improving machines grow so far beyond us so fast that they can just do what is needed whether we like it or not.
But one way or another I guarantee that if it's solved, it'll largely be a technological solution, because getting humanity to just...stop using energy at our current rate...is just not going to happen.
The issue with technosolutionism is that it can't fit the necessary parameters to address climate change. We already know we can't go further with infinite growth. It's not possible to tackle climate change. We need degrowth. Without it, it's impossible.
The problem is that our economy is based on growth, and this growth will generate the new tech. If you're for state developed and owned technologies, you have to change the political dogma et system first.
Addressing the climate crisis is a change in the politic and in the economic system. Without both of them, it will continue.
Cool, now you, an educated, well intent person with good morals won't have any offspring to pass those values to, and thus won't have any representation in the next generations. Meanwhile redneck Terry will make 7 children with 3 different women and teach them to hate the libruls and that the earth is flat.
It is your decision not to have kids, I chose so myself too. But your line of thinking is in discord with the argument.
Have you met the kids of those rednecks? A lot are estranged from their parents.
Especially with the internet, parents have a limited amount of control over kids, the more important part is education.
And that's why there's growing far-right movements around the world (especially the Western world) who want to defund education!
…. And all we needed was that brilliant orator, the Great Persuader on the side of good, someone to rally around to save the world!
They just get called woke gay snowflakes then the accusers go eat 10 steaks and jack off.
Theres no way to fix this with kind words, only through force
I would have done it, but when i looked around, looked to the future, and realized people had been horrible to me overall, i declined.
Political problems can be addressed through science and technology. Like the firearm, or the bicycle, or bittorrent. We need a way to coordinate a defense that won't simply be shut down.
Maybe it is going to be solved by a brilliant political activist or leader. Jokes aside, of course it won't be a couple of people who will magically solve something. Strong leaders will however ease the cause by promoting issues best.
Everything is a science problem. Big refrigerators. Really big. Cool the whole world. Store heat in barrels and shoot them into the sun. Time machines. A whole host of solutions!
Oh ok I guess we should stop trying and lose all hope then
Yes if your solution is to throw literal children at the problem you should quit while you're ahead.
If the problem remains, you still haven't thrown enough children at it.*
*) As a parent of wonderful kids /s of course.
Lmao...
Your two ideas are...
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No my ideas are that I'll live my life and be the best person I can.
It was a joke when I said his kid could fix it. That guy's obviously an idiot and his kids would be too
How do you people not know sarcasm? So I need to dumb it down for you with the /s like back in the day on Reddit? I thought we moved past that
Yes, it's obvious that you were joking about the other commenter's kid fixing the problem.
The issue is that it embodies the sentiment that it's "not our problem" and it's for the future generation to figure out...and then when that was called out, the first alternative you brought up was defeatism, as if that's the only alternative to someone in the future fixing the problem, lol
The defeatism was obviously sarcasm too though. So stop making all these assumptions about me.
I obviously want the issues fixed and have hope that they will be since I said that I have my own children. I do my fair share as well.
Also you talk about "defeatism" and that's all I see in this thread. People give up on the chance to have kids not because they don't want them but because some rich assholes have started to destroy the environment, things cost too much, the pay isn't right, etc... that's defeatism. The rich assholes are still having plenty of kids and they will be the ones to inherit the world.
We don't have time to wait for kids to grow up before doing what we can. Ah, sorry. Before putting all of that responsibility on them and screaming "NOT IT!"
Wow, bunch of twats not understanding a joke
Edit: about; it was not a joke, I repeat it was not a joke. Torpedo it
People are just so down on the world they want to crush all hope and joy for others too. In the long run I think people will be fine. The other planet's residents probably not so much. But people will adapt. I'd rather experience life than worry too much about what I can't solve.
I have kids too and seeing them experience joy and happiness is super rewarding. All you worry warts are just going to miss out.
People in developed countries will be fine. As long as you’re narcissistic enough to only look close by, we’re good to go!
Seriously though, definitely not my line of thinking and I’m very happy I had kids. There are many problems in the world and climate is just one of them. De-population of developed countries is another: we’ve started a population bomb that on 50 years will destabilize society as developed countries suddenly shrink. People are not only the cause of most of the worlds problems, they’re also the solution
Anyway, having kids is a personal choice, regardless of the world careening from one potential catastrophe to the next.
Which other planet? Lol
Is there some plan to invade an alien world? Maybe that'll be our solution, huh?
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