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adjectivenounnr at 2023-07-05 10:18:04+00:00 ID:
jqqnctnGive me an example of cannabis use leading to societal problems worse than the societal problems caused by alcohol.
Flutterpiewow at 2023-07-05 10:46:47+00:00 ID:
jqqpldzAlcohol has nothing to do with it, "alcohol is worse" isn't an argument.
builder_m at 2023-07-05 10:55:26+00:00 ID:
jqqqazpIt became an argument the moment you tried to use "the government needs to protect from the dangers of weed". You're a hypocrite if you don't want to ban alcohol as well.
Gov would get tax money if they legalized and REGULATED instead of having to spend tax money on petty drug crime. Science isn't on your side, either.
Flutterpiewow at 2023-07-05 11:18:42+00:00 ID:
jqqsafdThe government does regulate alcohol, and tries to prevent abuse through information/education. It's difficult to ban outright because it's part of our culture. Cannabis isn't to the same extent.
Science says people get addicted and suffer brain damage. If you argue that scientists/governments make this up, that's a way of creating a fantasy world where anything that fits your stance goes.
Also note that drug related crimes and illegal trade hasn't gone away in the US.
adjectivenounnr at 2023-07-05 11:22:12+00:00 ID:
jqqslddThat's because the US has (as they typically do) regulated it poorly. A better example is Canada, and specifically Québec, which has in fact reduced drug related crimes, gang revenues, and massively increased tax receipts by legalizing it through a system almost identical to Systembolaget.
builder_m at 2023-07-05 11:31:16+00:00 ID:
jqqteogProhibition cannot, will not and has not stopped substance use. It has only pushed it underground, and made it more dangerous. This is backed by data. I am not saying cannabis is risk free, but the risks are best tackled with regulations, just like with alcohol. Cannabis is also a LOT safer than alcohol, which leaves even less of a reason for it to remain banned.
Research on potential harm, drug use statistics, death count, research on the effects of prohibition policies, historical precedent, all of this supports legalization (or at the very least decriminalisation). Which is what I meant when I called your position unscientific.
Flutterpiewow at 2023-07-05 11:44:38+00:00 ID:
jqqum03Cannabis can't be compared to alcohol like that. There's less research on cannabis, but more importantly comparisons based on physiological effects fail to take cultural context into account. There are norms associated with alcohol, and it's used in places like family dinners and even at work places. This means people are more likely to learn how to manage it appropriately. With cannabis, you're more likely to socialize with people who use it for different purposes and who also use amphetamines etc.
Nobody said prohibition gets rid of anything. There's no support for the idea that it won't stay underground and that the dangerous aspwcts will go away if you legalize it though.
adjectivenounnr at 2023-07-05 11:19:11+00:00 ID:
jqqsbvyExactly. You can't argue in favour of weed prohibition unless you also argue in favour of alcohol prohibition. Here's the science: https://www.healthline.com/health/weed-vs-alcohol#long-term-risks