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[–] damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Talk to me about Babylon 5. What all is woke in it. Never watched it so I don’t know.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 15 points 8 months ago

It has an alien species where the religious group has quotes that are directly from Carl Sagan (and they're have more of a philosophy than a religion, at least in most ways). It generally treats religion with more respect than Roddenberry did, in a "all religion has some good parts to it, but extremism is a problem" kind of way.

One of its major plot arcs is all about how democracies fall into fascism. I thought it was a bit heavy handed at the time, but now it feels too real.

Skirts around a pair of characters in a lesbian relationship, but like most shows at the time, it doesn't come right out and say it. They 100% banged one night, though.

It's also military science fiction. That always seems to invite right wingers who love the asthetic but ignore the themes. Same problem with Star Trek and Star Wars.

Well let's see, there's an episode with a dockworker's strike, in which a "negotiator" is sent in who's position is basically "I'll pretend to ask nicely but the only tactic I have is this in-universe law that says I can use the military to force you back to work." The letter of that in-universe law (the "Rush Act") is "The local military commander can break strikes by any means he deems necessary." And Commander Sinclair decides to pay the dockworkers what they demand out of the military budget of the station. So the union ultimately wins.

There's several times when some character, often a human but sometimes an alien, walks up to some other kind of alien and says "We don't want you FREAKS coming in and stealing our JOBS!" and they're always depicted as obviously in the wrong. Basically in the script it says "A Republican happens, and gets dealt with."

There's a whole episode with a religious exchange, all the various aliens are invited to demonstrate their planet's "dominant religion." When it's the human's turn, Sinclair takes the alien crew down a hallway with a long line of various different kinds of priests, ministers, monks, etc. The first guy in line is an atheist. The point being "Earth is diverse as fuck, yo."

The show just barely glances off a lesbian relationship, and the show's attitude says "What? You didn't have a problem with the five other romantic couples we've seen so far, what's your problem with this one?"

Oh, then there's the whole major plot of a socially conservative president sliding Earth's entire government into totalitarianism with the backing of a hostile alien race thing.

[–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Haven't watched it in years myself, but unless you can define "woke" I'm not going to make any assumptions.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"Woke" has come to mean "Not completely adhering to Republican culture war dogma."

[–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Even that doesn't really define it.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just making sure here, you want me to rigorously define the political position and identity of platformless reactionaries?

[–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

Not at all, in fact I'd rather "woke" be defined by what they really mean - feminism, inclusivity, equality, etc. Let's make them say what they actually mean without hiding behind a nebulous term like "woke".