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It is one of the most dire aspects of Star Trek Picard: a long-running ban (under "galactic treaty") that eliminates not only research into synthetic life, but appears to ban synthetic lifeforms themselves.

And, candidly, I don't think it's an element of the story that is plainly justified on first read. It appears incredibly -- to the point of being implausibly -- reactionary, to an extent that we haven't seen from the Federation before. It also stretches credulity that a single event -- no matter how catastrophic -- could lead to such a long-lasting draconian policy. For it to be believable, we really need to assume that the Federation already was morally corrupt and weak-willed in a way that makes it in turn seem hard to believe that people of good character like Picard could hold the Federation in such high esteem. (Of course, there is ample evidence that the Federation, or at least Starfleet, has been immoral in this area for quite some time.) This is worsened, of course, by the sudden turnaround at the season's end wherein the ban is lifted, with apparently very little effort.

It's a weakness of storytelling in PIC S1. But, when we start to layer in stories from other series, a new picture emerges.

Let's work backwards. From PIC, we know what happens in 2385:

2385: in the Attack on Mars, rogue synths surreptitiously hijacked by the Romulan anti-AI extremist group known as the “Zhat Vash” lead a devastating attack on Mars, destroying the colonies, the Utopia Planitia shipyards, and the Romulan Rescue armada. Romulan involvement remains unknown for years after.

2385: a political crisis erupts following the Attack on Mars, with at least fourteen Federation members threatening secession. Starfleet chooses to abandon the evacuation mission, and Admiral Picard resigns in protest. Soon thereafter, a wide-ranging interstellar treaty – signed by so many powers that it was sometimes described as a “galactic treaty” – bans research, construction, and even the mere presence of synthetic lifeforms. Dr. Bruce Maddox flees the Federation shortly after and settles on Coppelius with Altan Soong.

Prior to that, PRO tells us about 2382-2384ish:

2382 (speculative): the Protostar launches under the command of Captain Chakotay, an experimental vessel equipped with a new propulsion technology called “proto-warp”, on a mission to return to the Delta Quadrant.

(PRO seems intentionally vague on the exact timing of this launch; potentially it could be placed as far back as 2378, or even maybe as late as 2384.)

2383 (speculative): Construction of the Romulan Rescue armada at Utopia Planitia is underway.

(The timing of the fleet construction is vague, but I argue it needs to be early enough such that the attack in 2385 creates a setback too large to recover from. As I recall, PIC is a little unclear on whether it would have been feasible to rebuild the fleet in time after the attack. But for there to be such severe political blowback, I think the project needed to have been underway for at least a couple of years.)

2383: following temporal displacement, the Protostar is discovered and commandeered by Dal R’El and his crew.

2384: the Dauntless, under the command of Vice Admiral Janeway and equipped with a (limited) quantum slipstream drive, embarks on a search for Captain Chakotay and the Protostar.

2384: the Battle of the Living Construct wreaks a heavy toll on the gathered Starfleet armada, which includes the starships Defiant, Centaur, Sovereign, and possibly Enterprise, as a viral AI hijacks starships via communication transmission and pits them against one another. The crew of the Protostar destroy the ship to terminate the signal and end the battle.

2384: full production of the Protostar class commences

There are two things to highlight here. First, this now marks the second instance of a destructive AI within as many years. It's unclear from PRO's finale how many ships are destroyed, but it is eerily reminiscent of the Attack on Mars a year later.

Second, the early 2380s saw the release of not one but two experimental FTL technologies, to say nothing of the use of sentient holograms as crew members. And yet none of that seems present by PIC S3 -- perhaps an illustration of the profound impact of the destruction of Utopia Planitia (and the all-but-certain brain drain as thousands of Starfleet designers perished).

Finally, we come to LDS' contribution to the tale of the early 2380s:

2381: the Battle of the Texas Trio, in which three autonomous Texas-class starships go rogue due to the malfunction of the AI known as “Badgey”. Before being stopped by a fleet of California-class starships, the “Texas Trio” carried out a devastating attack with significant loss of life, including that of Vice Admiral Buenamigo, who led the development of the Texas class.

That marks three rogue AI catastrophes in four years, with consecutively higher costs each time, culminating in what appears to be the destruction of an entire generation of technology development and Starfleet researchers, whose loss still appears apparent fifteen years later.

The Synth Ban wasn't just a reaction to the Attack on Mars -- it was a reaction to half a decade of AI disasters. No doubt the Ban was encouraged both explicitly and implicitly by Romulan (and Zhat Vash) elements, and even within this broader context, the Ban is still an overreaction. But the Attack on Mars "struck while the iron was hot", at a time when the Federation populace would be more anti-AI than at any point in history.

As a topic for a separate post, but the more I look at the pre-2385 vs post-2385 stories, the more stark a shift I see, and the more potential for potent storytelling becomes apparent. The Attack on Mars and the Romulan Supernova became a generation-defining event: the 9/11 of its time, separating the 90s-esque optimism of TNG, LDS, and PRO, from the 2000s-2010s-esque troubled times of the Synth Ban and PIC.

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[–] T156@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

2383 (speculative): Construction of the Romulan Rescue armada at Utopia Planitia is underway.

This is likely earlier, since the Mars attack resulted in the loss of a portion of the rescue armada (if not all of it), and the Federation deciding that it was not worth the price of another new fleet is what triggered Picard’s resignation.

The Synth ban might be intentionally bidirectional. Because of the risk of a set of potentially-sapient artificial constructs going rogue again, the ban might have been to protect them by preventing their creation.

From their perspective, The Federation has experienced at least 4 different instances of artificial constructs inadvertently becoming sapient:

  • Wesley’s Medical Nanite civilisation
  • ExoComps
  • Holograms
  • Android-derived Mars Worker Units(?)

With the synths having the potentially extra boost of being reverse-engineered from Soong-type Androids, which were sapient in their own right.

The ban tries to prevent the issue “Measure of a Man” brings up, where the Federation being able to replicate a sapient artificial construct means that they inadvertently create a slave army, and while Picard later shows that the Mars attack was caused by an outside party, at the time, the Federatio would be entirely justified in seeing the attack as a slave revolt, for their usage of what was a sapient android design, used exclusively for mundane tasks, against the warnings, and desires of Maddox, the person who had the design.

In a lot of those instances you mention, the AI is either alien in nature (the living construct), or an inadvertent/accidental creation (Badgey), which the Synth ban wouldn’t help with. Instead, from what we see, the ban is instead seemingly targeted at humanoid synths, rather than any and all AI creations. It prevents the creation of new positronic matrices, but holodecks, and custom-programmable holograms are still allowed on Federation ships, and we know that Badgey arose from one of those when the safeties were switched off.

The Exocomps were built with off-the-shelf parts, and it is only a custom self-learning algorithm that allowed them to develop sapience, and the nanite civilisation similarly developed from off-the-shelf medical nanites accidentally left to evolve. The Synth ban would not cover these, nor would it cover the ship’s computer, both of which appear to be paths to rogue AI.

As a topic for a separate post, but the more I look at the pre-2385 vs post-2385 stories, the more stark a shift I see, and the more potential for potent storytelling becomes apparent. The Attack on Mars and the Romulan Supernova became a generation-defining event: the 9/11 of its time, separating the 90s-esque optimism of TNG, LDS, and PRO, from the 2000s-2010s-esque troubled times of the Synth Ban and PIC.

I’m not sure that they were all that troubled. The Romulan event and Mars attack did strain the Federation some, but from what we see, Starfleet doesn’t seem particularly bothered by it, or the fallout (we don’t see any Exocomps, so synths may have been affected worse than the show demonstrate). There is no major crisis or anything quite like that, as far as we see, and the parts that we follow appear trouble because we’re following the outskirts, instead of Starfleet itself. We’re on the side of the civilians in the weekly episodes, that have to contend with all kinds of issues before the Enterprise arrives and solves everything.

[–] Equals@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really like this analysis!

2383 (speculative): Construction of the Romulan Rescue armada at Utopia Planitia is underway.

This is likely earlier, since the Mars attack resulted in the loss of a portion of the rescue armada (if not all of it), and the Federation deciding that it was not worth the price of another new fleet is what triggered Picard’s resignation.

Yes, I agree -- I'm not entirely sure when the fleet construction would have begun, so that's why I was somewhat vague here and just said "construction is underway". My point is that, regardless of when it began, construction must have been in full swing by '83. I suspect construction actually began in '82, and it can't have been earlier than '81 since that's when Picard was promoted (I think) and he was the one who came up with the idea.

The Synth ban might be intentionally bidirectional. Because of the risk of a set of potentially-sapient artificial constructs going rogue again, the ban might have been to protect them by preventing their creation.

Yeah, this is a really interesting point. Perhaps the Federation believe it was possible that the synths went rogue because they gained sentience inadvertently (despite, I'm sure, Maddox's assurances to the contrary). Honestly, that makes for the most compelling argument in favor of the Synth Ban that I've seen: while I don't agree with it, the idea of preventing the creation of synthetic lifeforms because we can't be sure when/whether they'll become sentient at least has some air of "responsible creation of life" to it. (Vaguely akin to "Don't have a child if you aren't able to take care of it.")

I’m not sure that [the 2390s] were all that troubled.

This is a fair point. I'm basing my assertion here on a "between the lines" reading of PIC S1, where there is a consistent theme of "Starfleet no longer being Starfleet". To your point, the vibe I get isn't that there were lots of crises in the 2390s, but rather that it was a decade of Starfleet not living up to its ideals, having lost its way, etc etc. But I agree that this is implicit in the text rather than explicit.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

despite Maddox's assurances to the contrary

I wonder if they were actually to the contrary. At that point in time Maddox had devoted his work to understanding Data's construction and building a sapient Android, in the Noonien-Soong tradition.

He was incensed that Starfleet had him build what was effectively a worker Android, with their intelligence pared down, and it seems entirely within character for him at the time to warn about the possibility of then being designed for sapience, and therefore likely to develop it anyway.