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[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 63 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

First person = someone describing their own point of view (ex: I, me)

Second person = someone being addressed (ex: you, y'all)

Third person = someone talking about someone else (ex: they, them)

Fourth person = the point of view of a collective group (ex: we, us)

[–] Rolando@lemmy.world 101 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I can't tell if you're making a joke or not, but when I learned it "we" was first person plural. Likewise "y'all" was second person plural, etc.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 9 points 10 months ago

Y’all’s takes are both valid.

[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The difference is that we as a first person plural is generally used for a more discrete group of people, but still from the perspective of a single narrator. Fourth person we is generally used for a collective of people with a shared perspective; there is no single narrator that is separate from the collective group, the entire group is there narrator. Fourth person is a concept that has only recently begun to be recognized as a distinct point of view.

[–] Brocken40@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you believe in string perspective there are infinite narrators narrating each other's narrations and we have only just started to make words for the infinities.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

Way too sober for this conversation lol

[–] misterundercoat@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Bird Person = friend of Rick Sanchez and generally good guy who doesn't appreciate dick moves

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

It fascinates me that an entire family can be this critical and suck this much.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Wubba lubba dub dub.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Fourth person

Doesn't exist. We/us is first person plural. Some languages have a little complexity here (e.g. Tagalog has "kami" which means "we without you" and "tayo" which means "we with you," but they're both still first person plurals).

  • first person - speaker
  • second person - audience excluding speaker
  • third person - everything else
[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Some linguists disagree and have recently begun accepting the existence of a fourth person point of view. Languages evolve, and I guess we'll just have to see if it catches on and becomes more widely accepted in the future.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

I'll have to look into that, and I'd appreciate why sources you have handy.

[–] ShortFuse@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

One does not simply just make a fourth person point of view.