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[–] verzyanim@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You disregard the capacity of humans being evil under every regime. I mean you can have a few good men wanting to create a nice Communist utopia, but eventually a lot of evil man will take the power and use it in their own advantages. Every Communist implementation suffered from the same problems. Not only that, but because most Communist implementations were authorian in nature, the corrupt leaders in power had more tools to be evil.

People should become more enlightened and they will naturally desire communistic society. Until then, I guess we are stuck with this.

[–] thetablesareorange@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." - Martin Luther King, Jr

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Humans act in a way that makes sense for them to act given the systemic pressures they're exposed to. This is exact same process as natural selection that drives evolution. The system selects for certain types of behaviors that are successful within the system. Bad things will happen in any human society, but the general direction of society is what matters.

Change happens because people make it happen not because they wait for the society to become magically enlightened.

[–] verzyanim@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well, without a magically enlightenment any communism implementation will fail again and again, repeating the same failures of the past. Some people are arrogant or naive enough they will do a better, everlasting communism if they had the chance. History shows us the degradation of the initial values will follow. That's my opinion.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Go read up on socialist countries like China, Vietnam, and Cuba. This isn't a hypothetical discussion, socialist countries exist and they work a lot better than capitalist ones.