MeanwhileOnGrad
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Meanwhile On Grad
Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
What is a Tankie?
Alternatively, a detailed blog post about Tankies.
(caution of biased source)
Basic Rules:
Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules. — Basically, don't be a dick.
Hate-Speech — You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.
Apologia — (Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.
Revisionism — No downplaying or denying atrocities past and present. Calling Tankies shills, foreign/federal agents, or bots also falls under this rule. Extremists exist. They are real. Do not call them shills or fake users as it handwaves their extremism.
Tankies can explain their views but may be criticised or attacked for them. Any slight infraction on the rules above will immediately earn a warning and possibly a ban.
Off-topic Discussion — Do not discuss unrelated topics to the point of derailing the thread. Stay focused on the direct content of the post as opposed to arguing.
You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically only last 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction will double the amount. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.
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This is a bunch of incel drivel.
IMO unless there's more to this, I wouldn't defederate just because instance users have cringe political views. Banning an entire instance should only be done as a last resort unless the users are giving off really creepy vibes.
There could very well be more to this story.
Generally though, this type of moderation should be left up to the block button.
He seems incredibly upset about it.
Too much defederation is bad for the Fediverse. You want it to be one network with the weird fringes removed, not a collection of networks with complex relationships and little interactivity.
We also want a healthy ecosystem where idiotic propaganda isnt left unchecked.
They were openly cheering on Hamas, and killing civilians. I'm 100% anti Israel but the final straw getting them defederated was real. It's super easy to be supportive of Palestine and question the western pro-israeli narrative without cheering on terrorists.
In situations like that I could see the instance admins having mass bans of everyone on foreign instances who engage in that kind of behavior.
At some point if an instance is completely rotten, you should just defederate.
Lemmygrad is the fringes as are hexbear and explodingheads
Personally I come from Discord, not Reddit. So the wider array of people is new to me, not something I expect. I consider this a big step forward from hanging out on Discord servers. I chose my instance to be a comfy place to spend time. Read nice stuff, and make friends. I'm less interested in the practicality of unbroken federation providing a mix of information and opinions. I don't need that from my time on Lemmy. My two cents. Take care.
I can see that. Most normies (honestly, most people who aren't "normies" either) right now are going to be fixated on large communities and will measure websites based on the number of active users. Gone are the days of low population independent forums. Users now want large social media silos with millions of people where they can have a one stop online location with hundreds of people at any given time who can answer their questions. Smaller communities that focus too heavily on quality over quantity have their own problems and can easily scare away new users by declaring all their rules.
The general rule of social media sites is that people are on them because other people are on them. Lemmy is going to have a hard enough time attracting new users because it's not a "normie" site. (10 years ago it's hard to say if Reddit would have fit that label.) Social media platforms can snowball.
I feel like the more a social media platform splits itself up, the harder it will be to attract users. Users don't want to have to think about which instance they need to join in order to get access to the largest community.
Damn I better enjoy this while it lasts. Lemmy is so heavenly to me.