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I don't believe this for one second. I haven't heard anything from the Ukraine administration that would suggest in any way that they are interested in peace talks. In fact, their recent choice of putting a Crimean Tatar as the Minister of Defence suggests that they are serious about taking Crimea back from Russia. I hear nothing but absolute resolve by both the Weat and Ukraine to keep fighting until a Ukraine victory.
Until the last Ukrainian. That's what I've heard too.
I heard that all the time too. From Russian propaganda mainly. Is someone else independently claiming such theories as well?
Lol
WaPo - Meanwhile, for the United States and its NATO allies, these 18 months of war have been a strategic windfall, at relatively low cost (other than for the Ukrainians)...
FT - US grows doubtful Ukraine counteroffensive can quickly succeed...One point of tension between US and Ukrainian officials has centred on how Kyiv has deployed its military. US officials have encouraged Ukraine to be less risk-averse and fully commit its forces...
Mitt Romney - We (Americans) are losing no lives in Ukraine...
Mitch McConnell - “People think, increasingly it appears, that we shouldn’t be doing this. Well, let me start by saying we haven’t lost a single American in this war,” McConnell said. “Most of the money that we spend related to Ukraine is actually spent in the US, replenishing weapons, more modern weapons. So it’s actually employing people here and improving our own military for what may lie ahead.”...
Richard Blumenthal - We’ve helped restore faith and confidence in American leadership — moral and military. All without a single American service woman or man injured or lost...
These are justifications to give the people of USA as reasons to keep supporting them. Especially the conservatist side needs convincing right now, because their tribe is at odds with this particular war for some reason.
I feel you are falsely juxtaposing these different things as similar. USA is not throwing ukrainians against Russia, they are supporting a people who are fighting for the survival of their nation.
US conservatives are relatively supportive of the Kremlin because key party leaders have ties to Putin.
I know you people don't consider Ukrainians actual humans with agency but they fight because they are forced to do so by Russians. And if they stopped fighting they would be eradicated by Russians. Whether the West wants them to resist Russia or not has no weight in that.
I've seen videos and articles that suggest that many Ukrainians fight because they are forced to do so by other Ukrainians. And what do you mean eradicated? Do you know of some secret extermination camp nobody else knows about?
Show proof of your bald-faced lie propagandist
It's openly reported in western media ignoramus https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/02/26/ukraine-finds-stepping-up-mobilisation-is-not-so-easy
So liberal western media is trustworthy to you now?
From your link:
From another economist article:
Almost like it's far more nuanced than "being forced to fight". But you and your tanky buds will never admit that none of this would have to happen if Russia didn't invade Ukraine in an unprovoked war of aggression
As to your buddy's genocide denial, I'll just leave this here
I love how you just keep peddling debunked nonsense here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8kt9RUpYqk
And no, it's not more nuanced than being forced to fight, the regime in Ukraine is literally kidnapping people off the street and sending them to die on the front lines. Meanwhile, human garbage such as yourself keeps cheering that on. You are an utter scumbag.
Wow what a great debunking by a moron talking head YouTuber, great job defending daddy putin today
the dude you're arguing with is a shill, literally.
Russia is the one kidnapping Cubans to fight.
The "moron" talking head youtuber provides all western sources for everything he says. The only actual moron here is you bud. Great job defending the empire NAFO troll. Hope you made enough FICO points to eat tonight.
hey bud i literally told you today that Russia is relying on human trafficking to commit their war crimes.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/05/world/europe/cuba-russia-war-human-trafficking.html
but you ignored me and ran away from the discussion. now i find you trying to slap around this bullshit??
just discuss it with me here!
https://ttrpg.network/comment/1742226
or were you mad you used a year old article and your best source was a little major or something and I offered the opinion of a one star general from last month?
Russia is trash, you are a trash and China is trash too sorry dog.
this guy posts Chinese propaganda and runs when he's proven wrong.
He doesn't argue from any place of care, he is a shill literally
They're fighting because the last time they didn't fight russia they had the holodomor.
They haven't forgotten.
Yeah have you heard about the weapon supply talks with North Korea?
Kim jong is completely resolute to fight the west, to the last Russian 😢