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[–] kitkat_new@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

it requires energy, but not really locally, since we outsourced production;

nuclear is a castle in the air for the next two decades, requires energy as well and is more expensive

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Even outsourcing production doesn't completely remove the need for building and installing new energy infrastructure. As others have pointed out, renewables failed to actually make any positive impact to date. France is the only country in EU that has any real alternative energy to fossils because they invested in nuclear.

[–] kitkat_new@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I didn't say you wouldn't need new energy infrastructure. Obviously you do, but not for building the same.

Saying renewables haven't made any positive impact is just blatantly ignorant.

Same goes for France and nuclear power.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I didn’t say you wouldn’t need new energy infrastructure. Obviously you do, but not for building the same.

Except that you do, solar panels and windmills have to be transported and installed. This requires energy in terms of moving the equipment and workers, deploying it, hooking it up to the grid and so on. Real life isn't like Star Craft.

Saying renewables haven’t made any positive impact is just blatantly ignorant.

What's blatantly ignorant is claiming that current renewables policies had any significant impact on emissions in Europe.

Same goes for France and nuclear power.

Same goes for France and nuclear power.

[–] kitkat_new@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

quite the riposte there