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CEOs of top 100 ‘low-wage’ US firms earn $601 for every $1 by worker, report finds
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 25 Aug 2023
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A good reason to have laws regulating the maximum pay gap between executive and the lowest paid peon. And make sure to include all types of pay like stock options so companies can't squirm out of it.
Sounds great, and sure might as well pass it, but there's a lot of ways to get around it
Ok, let's do it anyway and make them work for their wealth. Instead of doing nothing, and letting them also do nothing to keep their wealth.
There are solutions for all of those loopholes, but it will hurt our congresspeople's investments so it will get shot down
Whatever.
It starts with paying their employees a dignified wage.
The point is that if max pay gap laws are passed, CEOs will just hide their actual pay in external resources and normal employees will still make exactly the same.
Good. Make them hide it. Then make it illegal to hide income(if it already isn't). Tax agencies like the IRS are really good at catching this sort of thing.
Make it difficult for them and their companies.
Make them have to spend to hide it. If they get caught, the money goes back to the economy. If they don't get caught, at least some the money they spend on law firms and accounts goes back to the economy.
That’s the system we have right now and it doesn’t work. Soooo…
Hey I said this like 6 years ago on Reddit and I got downvoted and called a fucking idiot lol
Why do we not have a maximum wage when we have a minimum wage?
Because this is America and if you make rules like that you'll crush the American Dream ^tm^ and no one will want to work at all because you've taken away their ability to daydream about one day being the disgustingly rich person doing the trickling instead of the disgustingly poor person waiting to be trickled on.
I'm ok with this, but it's essentially just a step toward socialism which is the better option (but will never happen). Because all this will do is make CEOs less wealthy from the company itself. The investors still make tons more than the CEOs already and they don't do anything. You need to force revenue sharing essentially which is just socialism with extra steps. Cause CEOs will just end up investing in other companies and still be wealthy and get less compensation from the company itself.
I don't think the point is for them to be less wealthy, the point is you shouldn't make more than 600 times what half your employees make.
I know. But investors don't care. They're the root of the problem. CEOs are simply an employee of the company that ultimately represents the shareholders interest. Affecting their pay does not affect shareholder value that much. It just commoditizes the CEO position.
Seriously, I literally just posted the same comment basically. It's really silly how fixated on CEOs people are. I guess they are an easy scapegoat example, but they're just goons hired by the board of directors on behalf of the shareholders. It's not like they straight up own the company. (Yeah yeah yeah, there's stock compensation, and some founder CEOs like Zuck still own shares after IPO etc, i know.)
Exactly. Increasing pay would be really, really nice. But we can do that and have more control over our workplaces. Worker owned companies would prevent huge disparities in pay from reoccurring, regardless of what the government does.
Like a wise and angry man once said: "Fuck the G rides, I want the machines that are making them."
Socialism is the abolition of social classes. Regulating capital is usually called Social Democracy, or Marxism. Honestly, sieze the means of production.
I'd be absolutely ecstatic for a 1:4 ratio.
That's just bringing down the top without helping anyone. Need to lift from the bottom instead
You're not really all that familiar with how ratios work are you lol
Sure I am. If employees made $90/hr the ratio would be significantly improved. It's not the ratio that's the actual problem here. You get that right?
What in the fuck does "lifting from the bottom" mean to you if raising employee wages isn't it.
Lift from the bottom, pull from the top. The ratio is the actual problem here. You get that right?
They were talking about reducing ceo pay, which who cares? It's the workers that need the boost. Go back to reddit you jerk
Reduce CEO pay... to increase worker pay
Damn, that was hard.
Raising wages isn't a boost? The hell are you talking about
You need some reading lessons. MAYBE THIS WILL HELP?
THE GUY SAID CEO PAY IS TOO HIGH. WHO GIVES A FUCK AS LONG AS WORKERS EARN ENOUGH MONEY?
Lol you're trolling right?
CEO pay/4 > CEO pay/200
You get that right?
Oh my fucking God. What do you think we are talking about here?
Guy said lower ceo pay to increase the ratio.
Pay ceo 400,000, workers wages stay the same. How the fuck does that help?
Pay ceo 15 million and pay workers 485,000. Same ratio. Now we got somewhere.
People who want to enforce equality by imposing a ceiling are stupid. Impose equality by raising the floor. Who gives a fuck about the ceiling?
Haha what the fuck do you think we're talking about here? Nobody said lower CEO pay or anything about a ceiling, we're talking about lessening the pay gap by enforcing a ratio. If CEOs want to make huge wages they need to pay employees more. This is grade school math dude.
Obviously you're trolling and I'm just feeding it, but on the small chance that you're not... Well shit man, maybe don't dig yourself into stances so strongly if you can't do basic math?
Dude scroll up. Unless buddy edited the post, this entire response thread was a reply calling for reducing ceo pay to fix the ratio. Which I maintain, despite all the name calling, doesn't fucking help anything at all
No, it wasn't. You did a dumb, you doubled down swinging, and now you're trying to point the finger and lash out at everyone else out of embarrassment. Have some humility and own it or delete your comments in shame lol.