this post was submitted on 11 Sep 2022
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Imagine if you will, you decided to have a neighbourhood block party. You say, this is an open and inviting space, and everyone is welcome!
So lots of different people show up, but a few of your guests are uncomfortable. You ask them what's wrong, you want everyone to feel safe here.
They say, "that guy over there, he's always saying things like we're not really people, or we're sick in the head, or we don't deserve rights. He threatens us and talks gleefully about the day when we'll finally be outlawed as degenerates because we're queer and Black. He and his bigot buddies all talk about the Great Replacement, and how they can't wait to rise up against the establishment in a war to put Trump back in power."
And you know this is true. He doesn't hide it. In fact, he's mentioned those hangouts at your barbeque, and said that everyone at the barbeque is also welcome to join them for those hangouts.
But instead you say, "Yeah, but he hasn't said those horrible things here. So you should just chill out, it would be wrong for me to kick him out of this party just because when he's not at this party he doesn't believe you're human. That's an important part of everyone feeling welcome and safe here. Do you get it? Do you feel safe around him now?"
That's why someone who comes on here, a Leftist instance, and who has, through their own volition, outed themselves as the bigoted wolfballs admin account, should, in fact, be banned. To do otherwise is to just prop up bigots as long as they know when to "mask on."
It's not like you should be hunting for everyone's other platform activity, but he provided links to that content himself. He promoted that alt-right shithole right here on lemmy.ml. He took his own mask off, and it's pretty gross not to ban him.
The point is that lemmy.ml rules only apply on this instance. Otherwise we admins would be forced to go through Reddit profiles of all users to search for potential rule violations.
Where do you find any of this? I checked the frontpage of wolfballs just now, and couldnt find a single post about LGBT. So if you want me to take this seriously, you should give some actual examples. Even so, if there are a couple of users with such opinions it doesnt mean the admin shares those views. There are also plenty of users on lemmy.ml which I disagree with.
MasterofBalls in particular has written code for Lemmy, and runs one of the most active instances. For me that means he is a valuable contributor to the project, even if I dont necessarily agree with his political views. Excluding him from project discussions would only harm the project.
Finally, you are not even a lemmy.ml user. If it bothers you so much, ask your own admins to ban the user. lemmy.ml moderation isnt really your concern.
"How do you define a women
A women is defined as x chromosomes and no tallywhacker i.e probably not you"
There's fucking anti LGBTQ shit right in the goddamn sidebar, please learn to read and realize how gross you are defending this piece of shit. If you read the shit he posts himself it is racist, anti-LGBTQ (he calls literally all queers groomers) and yes, he personally believes in Great Replacement. Like what is wrong with you? Is anyone on Lemmy.ml actually a fucking leftist???
EDIT: And again how is promoting wolfballs on lemmy.ml not a violation of lemm.ml's rules? are you actually saying it is okay to promote bigoted websites on lemm.ml and you still claim lemmy.ml is anti-bigotry and leftist? like really?
"If you define it as white people being replaced in white nations there's no denying it's real"
"I'm not anti-immigration at all just anti-replacement"
"I have two children . . . I'm hoping to get three so at least we get above replacement levels."
Nope, just your normal not believing in replacement kind of guy says this stuff huh
Man, you are like a beacon of red flags.
More like a bunch of red flags with a white circle and some strange interwined crosses...
this you bruh?
"A mudblood is someone who's blood has been tainted by the experimental covid vaccines. A pure blood is someone who has pure human dna or worded a different way, someone who has never received a covid vaccine." - wolfballs-dot-com
what.
How is this still up? Obvious troll/ bait!
Thank you for being one of the most sane mods/Admins/devs ive seen in any community for quite some time. Many others would just say 'fuck you what I say goes' or just cave to the guilt tripping but the Lemmy devs really seem to have their heads scdewerd on straight.
Thanks for the support!
The developers ability to focus on long term goals for the project is the reason NRSK believes in Lemmy, and tries to support it as a platform in any way possible.
And what if some anarchists here were uncomfortable about you hanging around lemmygrad and insulting them over there? Would it be appropriate for a mod here to ban you because you were associated with a community which has been known to make many leftists here uncomfortable?
The bottom line is you're still able to create civil, unoffensive and constructive conversation here, despite doing things elsewhere that will make people here uncomfortable.
There are two major differences:
A) lemmy is federated with lemmygrad.
B) what self-respecting "leftist" website lets someone advertise and recruit for a bigoted alt-right forum in their comments>??
EDIT: legit, how is plugging wolfballs in the lemmy.ml comments not a violation of the no bigotry rule? What if people start recommending others join the Proud Boys? Or start hanging out on stormfront?
The reason the wolfballs admin should be banned is, as I said originally, that he on lemmy advertised his bigoted cesspit
What if what if what if
That's an appropriate way to respond to a comment starting with "Imagine if you will".
I don't see the relevance of lemmy.ml being federated. That wouldn't make it ok. If another community we federate with tolerated a couple of neonazis then that doesn't make those users ok because we find the platform as a whole tolerable to federate with.
I think you have a valid point with the shilling. I agree with you there. It's not bigotry in itself but it is abusing this forum to promote anti-egalitarian intolerance (which is undeniably and inevitably what that platform primarily hosts, regardless of its admin's claims of platform neutrality). Plugging wolfballs is contrary to the stated purpose of this platform, and an unlikely but possible gateway to it gaining dangerous popularity. That is something they are doing here on their account, and I would support the rules being updated to ban it.
The difference is that MLs don't want to kill anarchists. They just think they're annoying. With fascists, the death drive is built in and it infects everything they touch.