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[–] inetknght@lemmy.ml 105 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I never publicly made any statements regarding my time there because I feared even more backlash from a community that was already attacking, defaming, and sending me death threats.

Fuck man, pretty much nobody should have to deal with that.

I was actually called a tattle tale

Been there done that.

"snitches get stiches" is the phrase I've been told many times

I was told I was arguing, when I was trying to discuss my point of view.

This too

I remember getting told off for taking my sick days, as in the days you're entitled to.

I am still, to this day, hesitant to take days off from this kind of shit

I was asked to twerk for a co-worker at one point.

I know some ladies who were asked by the CFO of a previous company to jump in place while to get a company t-shirt that other employees received.

I was told I was chunky, fat, ugly, stupid. I was called "removed" I was called a "removed"

I was called "stupid" to my face in an open office with fifty other staff in the room.

I was also the one tasked with managing the Only Fans account.

Something I said I didn't want to do.

I had to read comments from people talking about how they wanted to fuck me and my co workers.

I saw peoples dicks, and vagina's.

I said no, and was told only a little longer.

You should never be obligated to do things you don't want to do. No job is worth it.

Please don't attack individuals who don't actually have power at this company, most of them are blameless or powerless to actually change anything.

This absolutely. For every one person who speaks up there are usually multiple tens who do not.

Also "why didn't you take legal actions"

Many of them don't know better. Many of them feel like they're trapped: they require the paycheck and so they feel obligated to endure abuses.

... Or, at least, that's been my experience with employers. To be clear: I do not, and have not, worked for LMG. I'm not trying to make it about me, just trying to relate. It's unfortunate easy to relate.

She's got some tough issues and I wish her to have better employment opportunities in the future.

These days I work for a company where "everything is awesome" and I get to work on really cool things every day without too much drama. I wish everyone could do that. I certainly couldn't have without deciding to leave an abusive employer. I encourage everyone to seek better employment if you feel like you can relate to any of the issues she's brought up.

So here's some tips. There's a lot to unpack though.

  • keep a personal record. Keep it at home. If it's on a computer or phone then keep it on a personal one so you still have it if you do quit or are fired. Write down the good times and the bad times.
    • if you're hourly, make sure to include your clock-in and clock-out times
  • if you live in a single-party-recording-consent state, then record your conversations
  • if anything comes up, your personal records can be admissible in court
  • if nothing comes up then at least you can look back at your records and remember how often good things or bad things happen. it will help you to make decisions objectively and judge your emotions for them

Sending unsolicited sexually explicit messages (even just text) or images is a federal crime and can be included in sexual harassment claims. If your employer does not address the problem then your employer may be held accountable. It's important that you keep records of your complaint to your employer and their inaction!

So, learn about harassment and discrimination laws. Everyone has a right to not be harassed (sexually or otherwise) or discriminated against. You can file a complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Office or your state's equivalent (not all states have an equivalent).

https://www.eeoc.gov/

[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is an excellent and thoughtful response. Thank you for taking the time.

[–] keefshape@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agreed. Also thanks to you for noticing and hilighting the value of their response. An equally awesome move.

[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 13 points 1 year ago

There is great content here on Lemmy. A welcome change from that other place if I might say. Cheers.

[–] inetknght@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks :)

I'm not party to the accusations. Things can be interpreted many ways. So I tried to keep an open mind and my response fairly applicable to anyone in general.

It's clear that someone is being deceptive. I have no idea whether it's some of the LMG team or Madison. I have to trust someone claiming to be a victim though.

These are serious, possibly criminal, accusations that Madison is making on a very public platform. Big accusations like this honestly belong to the courts and I hope that courts will figure out the truth -- that's what they're there for. If it all just boils down to PR and settlements out of court then IMO that is a miscarriage of justice for every would-be third party victim of harassment.

It's true that just about any online platform has to deal with sexually explicit content. But OnlyFans has a particular reputation about it. So if LMG has an OnlyFans account and she was managing, producing for, or interacting with it then I most certainly believe she'd have been exposed to sexually explicit material. If I were to investigate, I'd start truth-finding from there: find out what management's policies are/were with regards to dealing with that content and find out what actual actions were taken for that content. Subpoena OnlyFans to produce copies of the content and correlate their own reports of whatever action LMG claims to have taken. From there, the rest of the accusations will fall into place with weight.

[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 3 points 1 year ago

Whether or not the accusations are true or not, you gave excellent life advice imho.

Onlyfans might indeed have something to say here. Let us hope they do.

[–] loulis@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sending unsolicited sexually explicit messages (even just text) or images is a federal crime and can be included in sexual harassment claims.

Are US and Canada law similar in that aspect?

[–] inetknght@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

I'm a citizen of the USA and have only worked for US businesses. I don't know about Canadian law (nor am I a lawyer in the US) but I would be surprised and saddened if they don't have a strong legal system to protect victims.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thanks for this! I'm a male manager of a team of mostly men and one woman, and we have a handful of other women on our broader team.

Fortunately, our company has never done any of this nonsense, and I hope nobody in our department (or company for that matter) would ever think of it. Our head of HR is female, as is our department's HR rep, and we did a big push for DEI training over the last couple of years (the best company meeting imo was a Q&A with a panel of women, immigrants, and racial minorities). That has mostly run its course, but we still have mandatory, short, digital trainings every year, and a longer in-person one for new hires that repeats every few years for existing hires.

I'm going to bring up some of these points with the women on my team and ask them politely to let me know if they have anything they'd like to mention. It's hard enough to attract women in my field (software development), so I want to keep whatever women we can find. But if my company is not a healthy working environment for anyone on my team, I would prefer they leave than continue somewhere they don't feel comfortable, but I'd like the opportunity to try to fix the problem first.

So thanks again! I hope you're in a better work environment now.