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[–] UnpopularCrow@lemmy.world 164 points 4 months ago (5 children)

While I understand people’s initial reaction to think this is a positive thing, I don’t believe it is. The less free speech and media the Russian people have access to, the more control Putins propaganda machine has.

[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Practically all russians have had access to fully uncensored YT just one click away on their smartphones for over a decade (until today).

That didn't really change anything. Russia's problems lie in the attitude of the overwhelming majority of its people, not in the lack of access to information.

They make a conscious and fully informed choice to be genocidal imperialists and embrace authoritarianism.

[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 75 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (27 children)

Russia's problems lie in the attitude of the overwhelming majority of its people, not in the lack of access to information.

They make a conscious and fully informed choice to be genocidal imperialists and embrace authoritarianism.

"they"?

what happens to dissidents in Putin's Russia? It's easy to criticize a repressed population when you're not risking anything.

were all U.S. citizens responsible for the invasion of iraq? In U.S. where you don't disappear for criticising the government and it's choices, what difference did that freedom of speech make for Iraqis?

Where in the so called "west" do people keep buying from Putin's Russia through cloaked trade?

while we're on the subject of "genocidal imperialists embracing authoritarianism", who are the greatest sponsors of one of the longest running apartheid regime? Is "the attitude of the overwhelming majority of its people" the cause of this genocidal apartheid?

nuances! "Overwhelming majority" is just trying to get by. Most people are not power hungry psychopaths. If Putin, Netanyahu and some more of their ilk died today, world would be a better place tomorrow.

fuck this! it's time to go offline and read a decent book.

[–] starman@programming.dev 2 points 4 months ago

In U.S. where you don't disappear for criticising the government and it's choices

Sometimes you shoot yourself in the head. Twice.

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[–] UnpopularCrow@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago (9 children)

I don’t think a grassroots revolution will be taking place anytime soon, but this is aimed at the young people of Russia who are against the war. The old people there love Putin but I suspect they also aren’t watching YouTube.

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[–] BelatedPeacock@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not a Russian political expert, but the fact Putin keeps calling it "denazification" and a "special military operation" leads me to believe there's a lot of people who don't support a full blown war.

[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Why do you say this?

If 75% of russians support the "denazification" of Ukraine, that says a lot about them, no?

[–] BelatedPeacock@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Because if their government won't give them the full story it implies they might not like it.

[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So you're saying russians genuinely believe that since 2014 they've been "fighting Nazism in Ukraine" and this is not a genocidal imperialist war?

As I mentioned in my OP, you do know that every russian had uncensored youtube within a single click on their smartphone until the last month or so? Btw, the YT app is available in russian and there is a lot of russian language content.

This makes no sense!

[–] BelatedPeacock@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm not saying they believe that, I'm just commenting on what their government is saying.

I have very little knowledge on what the average Russian citizen thinks.

[–] tenchiken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago

Yeah... I suspect it has something to do with controlling info on Ukraine pushing back perhaps.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 5 points 4 months ago

Same difference. They won't do anything about it anyway.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

Is this a new development? If so could it be due to the Ukrainian incursion? I thought telegram was more popular there for that stuff

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I have a slightly different take: I think it’s a positive thing because the sooner we destroy YouTube, the sooner YouTube will be destroyed.

[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Feels like your priorities might be out of order.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

My priorities are thus:

  1. Destroy YouTube
  2. Everything else

They know what they did.

[–] iLL_Behaviour@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Oh, they know.

[–] Laser@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

“Fiat justitia, ruat YouTube”