killowater84

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[–] killowater84@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

500 years ago, everyone, the west included, was poor, and everyone had basically the same amount of resources.

Then the west became rich. For many reasons, but certainly not resources per capita.

It may well turn out that in a century from now India matches the west in per capita income. Too early to say.

[–] killowater84@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

All right, has a small postive effect on native wages in aggregate, as the paper I sent takes pains to point out.

One important caveat is that we analyze aggregate labor markets and not individual workers’ outcomes which are not observable in our data. Some individuals may be displaced from work or experience reduced wages due to the competition of immigrants. The differences in individual outcomes and outcomes for the aggregate labor market in response to immigration were also pointed out in Dustmann et al. (2017) and Foged and Peri (2016). Still, our average outcomes suggest that for any group of native workers dropping out of employment or experiencing lower wages from immigration, a larger group of natives are attracted into employment or experiencing increased wages.

The point being, increased competition in a given sector will lower wages, obviously. But, all that's really doing for the tech sector is drawing forward the natural balancing of supply and demand that would've happened through education, anyway.

Also, the study does take into account illegal immigration to the US.

As for your example of Canada's highly unethical immigration policies. We agree! Importing workers and denying them mobility leads, basically, to a caste system where it's more profitable to hire the lower caste. The solution here is not reducing migration, it's to ensure that all migrants have full legal working rights. Either you're in, or you're not. In between statuses are bad both for the migrant, and for the native working class.

https://publications.iadb.org/publications/english/document/Illegal-Immigration-Border-Enforcement-and-Relative-Wages-Evidence-from-Apprehensions-at-the-US-Mexico-Border.pdf

[–] killowater84@lemmy.zip 15 points 6 months ago (5 children)

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w32389/w32389.pdf

Basically all published research on this subject indicates that migrant labour has very little effect on native wages.

This makes sense, because a migrant is a human being, not a machine. That is, they do not just produce, they also consume.

Incidentally, I'm very gratified by people here not tolerating this sort of fash adjacent rhetoric. Shit made reddit intolerable.