edgerunneralexis

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Interesting! Anachronistic/retrofuturistic tech is far from essential in cyberpunk (even the aesthetic) for me, but I can certainly see why it might be for others.

I won't argue that there is a possibility that things could go wrong for federated and a decentralized social networks like Lemmy and Mastodon, and we are going to have to fight a cultural and technological battle against that, but I think at least this is a very good start, and I don't think it inherently has to go that way either.

[–] edgerunneralexis@dataterm.digital 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've heard very good things about Ken MacLeod's work from figures I respect and whose opinions I relatively trust (including Ian M. Banks on the writing side and Kevin Carson on the anarchist side of things ;D)

[–] edgerunneralexis@dataterm.digital 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Instead, I think postcyerpunk should be updating the cyberpunk genre to reflect current modern societal fears. Cyberpunk was very much a product of the 1980s. The societal fears in the US revolved around rising crime rates, unchecked capitalism, Japan's rise in influence, etc. Blade Runner perfectly encapsulates all of that. But today, 40 years later, the societal fears have changed. Personally, I think the movie Elysium is the best example of postcyberpunk. It's still about high-tech low-lifes except the societal fears have been changed to climate change, the wealth gap, and free access to healthcare.

This definitely makes more sense, and sounds more interesting to me. I totally agree with you on what postcyberpunk is/should be.

Although, I don't think either climate change nor other current concerns like the rise of right wing populism and fascism are new to the cyberpunk genre — see for instance John Shirley's cyberpunk trilogy A Song Called Youth or the settings of Hardwired and Cyberpunk 2020. And the other new concerns you list are just epiphenomena of capitalism's dominance of our society.

Relatedly, I do think, though, that our picture of what unchecked capitalism does and will look like in the future has changed since the 80s. Instead of corporations absent a government, or acting as broken up, haphazard governments, what we are actually seeing is a corporate-state merger, corporations taking over the state and turning it to their own ends — primarily the enforcement of property and destruction of worker power — because it's much more profitable to use an apparatus that's funded (via taxes) by the very people you want to defend yourself from and extract profit from, and already has a vineer of legitimacy, instead of having to do it all yourself. The ultimate form of outsourcing.

I see that as a misunderstanding of the genre. One of cyberpunk's major influences was the hard-boiled detective/film-noir stories where the main character gets heavily involved in a case but their life isn't personally improved after resolving it

That's true. One of the things that I wish cyberpunk would explore more actually is the idea of actually fighting back against the system, or trying to build and defend what small positive things you can in the interstices between the megacorporations, and the process of doing those things in spite of knowing that, ultimately, you are doomed to fail — the system is far bigger than you, and nothing you or even a small group of people can do will ever really make a difference in the long run. Finding reasons to go on and keep fighting despite having no illusions that there is any hope. This is essential to why I liked Hardwired and Cyberpunk: Edgerunners and yet it is surprisingly rare among cyberpunk works. Perhaps a move in this direction would indeed by post cyberpunk?

[–] edgerunneralexis@dataterm.digital 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

longer support for software and hardware

Not to rain on your parade (I love the idea of the Fairphone!), but that's actually a bit of misadvertising on Fairphone's part — the SoCs they use are very outdated and near the end of their vender firmware and driver support, meaning they get maybe 2 years of the full support you'd expect when you say a manufacturer "supports" something, and then however many more years of hobbled support. Additionally, they're just really bad about security.

I wish this would and bring replaceable phone batteries back to the US as well, since it with theoretically be easier for brands just have a single model for all countries so if they are forced to have replaceable batteries in Europe then they'd end up having them in the US too, but unfortunately I highly doubt that we'll be the case, as demonstrated by Apple taking extra effort to put geolocation code in their phones that unlocks "sideloading" when you are in Europe but then locks it again when you're outside of your Europe. As it turns out the extra effort it takes to create an exception to your hardware and software for Europe is far outweighed by the extra profit of being able to keep giving a more locked down products to everyone else.

[–] edgerunneralexis@dataterm.digital 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think one of the key things that will prevent the capture of the Fediverse by corporations is never ever allowing whitelists for instance defederation and blocking to happen.

If that ever does happen, it becomes trivially easy to break the decentralized network up into a few centralized silos that are all disconnected from the rest of the network completely, whereas, the way it stands now, you have to explicitly block anyone you don't want to be connected to, so it's a great way to deal with bad actors and nasty instances, but makes it extremely hard to wall off your instance completely, because if you block another instance it's trivially easy for the people that are unhappy with that to find or create a small new instance that flies under the radar and allows them to see the content on both the instance they left and the incense it blocked. It also makes it incredibly hard to capture people on your instance because they can always create a small instance and use that instance to see the content on the instance they left.

I think also limiting block list size for instances (but not users!) Could be a really good way of doing this too because then any instance I want to block a ton of other instances is going to have to fork lemmy to lift that band and then everyone will know they did that and know to get off it.

[–] edgerunneralexis@dataterm.digital 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also, to be fair, there's much less of a system to game in the first place, because you don't have an overall karma score, so there's not really any incentive to karma farm.

I think kind of depends on how deeply you explored the instance list to find and instance that really vibes with you and makes you feel like excited to join. If you join one of the major ones like lemmy.ml or lemmy.world or shit just works or another one of the big instances, it'll just feel like the early days of Reddit — young and active and exciting because it's a new platform but not particularly unique feel or culture or anything because they're just general purpose instances that let anyone in and so kind of end up with a common denominator internet culture. If you really go far down the instance list, though, and find an instance with less than a hundred users that has a really particular theme, target audience, and user culture, like I did, then it feels radically different than any other social media platform. I think that being on the big instances kind of hides the fact that Lemmy is super decentralized, just like the early internet, and so can give rise to really niche, unique, diverse, and interesting communities.

[–] edgerunneralexis@dataterm.digital 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It'd be nice if the text included references to the works they're talking about.

It does, apologies. I just quoted parts that didn't bc I was more interested in specific things it said. Here's the list of the works the original article is talking about:

Neal Stephenson's The Diamond Age is perhaps the most popular postcyberpunk novel, though also worthy of consideration are Bruce Sterling's Islands in the Net and Holy Fire, Ian McDonald's Necroville (aka Terminal Cafe), Ken MacLeod's The Star Fraction and The Stone Canal, Greg Bear's Queen of Angels, Slant, and (parts of) Moving Mars, Raphael Carter's The Fortunate Fall, some of Greg Egan's work (Egan novels like Permutation City and Diaspora are so wildly extrapolative that it's hard to fit them into any category), and the first hundred pages or so of Walter Jon Williams' Aristoi (among others).

[–] edgerunneralexis@dataterm.digital 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've just found someone irl to start putting implants under my skin

That is really exciting, what're you gonna implant?

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