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[–] Gork@lemm.ee 139 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Civil disobedience? Well don't mind if I do.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 33 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Civil Disobedience is the opposite of this.

[–] Hupf@feddit.de 63 points 6 months ago

Uncivil Disobedience

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 56 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ok ok. Civil disobedience, but with bricks

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 37 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No, this is just rioting. That's not to say rioting is bad, it got redlining and segregated neighborhoods banned, and is an important part of peaceful demonstrations, as it shows what the consequences will be if they don't give into your demands.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No. It's not "just rioting". Try that again without the value judgment.

We see this type of hidden judgement on a regular basis. The key words are "just" and "only". It's an annoyingly effective rhetorical device, because the statement looks like an objective description of things when it's not.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

What hidden value judgement? I pointed out that rioting or other violent action, or at least the credible threat of, is necessary for any progress.

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You're both right.

Often, descriptors like simply, only, just, etc. are used to diminish or manage perceptions of dissent.

However, saying 'no it's just a riot' in this case is merely accurate grammar, as it's applying needed nuance and limits to the definition of civil disobedience.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

As you pointed out, this is partly a matter of interpretation. So opinions could reasonably vary, and I respect that.

I believe it's clear enough that in this case, saying that the situation is just a riot, is a way of taking focus away from the other things that were happening. Perhaps it wasn't a riot and then turned into one, and maybe we should be focusing on what happened first. Or perhaps there was a riot happening along with something else, and that second thing is worth mentioning.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 15 points 6 months ago

For anyone wondering:

civil disobedience, the refusal to obey the demands or commands of a government or occupying power, without resorting to violence or active measures of opposition

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Bricks

Civil

Who doesnt like a bit of Orkposting

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Godric@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Klear@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)
[–] bitfucker@programming.dev 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Man, I miss the ork communities

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

START 'UN, INVITE SOME BOYZ, AND GET ORKPOSTIN!!!

[–] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 103 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] Track_Shovel 56 points 6 months ago
[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

Well it would be impolite to say no. ACAB

[–] cerement 76 points 6 months ago

cops and bricks, a match made in heaven

[–] antifa@infosec.pub 74 points 6 months ago

Always the right response

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 52 points 6 months ago

The force of habit

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 51 points 6 months ago

When in Rome

[–] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 36 points 6 months ago (1 children)

what was his crime? eating a meal? a succulent chinese meal?

[–] scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 6 months ago

You know your judo well!

[–] Bleys@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

He was also loosely the inspiration for the titular character in Inside Llewelyn Davis iirc

[–] lazzerot@startrek.website 6 points 6 months ago

Inside Llewyn Davis is one of my favorite movies for how it essentially deals with depression, but Dave van Ronk being an ally even if just in throwing bricks makes it even better imo

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 6 months ago

A true ally

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago
[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago
[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Goes to show that he doesn't sing about personal experiences in Luang Prabang, because that takes balls

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

I honestly thought I was the only person who knew about that song.

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