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Luckily i don't have the money for it
Credit cards don’t fail me now!
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If I needed a laptop I'd get a framework, sure it's a bit more expensive at the beginning but you'll probably save in the long run. It's also good to show there's a market for user serviceable tech, hopefully forces big tech's hand a bit.
here is the list of countries & regions they're shipping to
Thank God they don't ship here or I'd have bought it
I’ve placed a pre-order - I expect to be in the market for a laptop this year and considering the specs (especially the 2560x1600 165Hz screen) it’s within a reasonable range of an off the shelf gaming laptop. I keep my hardware for a long time (this will replace an i7-4000 series laptop) so repairability and upgrades matter a lot to me.
I haven’t been following this. Why would I want it?
Replaceable everything. Deeply customizable.
and actually good
It's a laptop that you can upgrade like a desktop.
You can also mix and match the ports on it, so you can do a combination of whatever ports you use and need most.
Oh that IS sexy.
It really is! And if you upgrade your laptop, you can use the old parts to build a mini desktop. They sell an enclosure. So nothing really goes to waste!
And if you had the means to, you could even 3D print your own enclosure since they (and other people) have published files for it.
I gather you can also repurpose the battery as a portable power pack but I'm not sure if this is specific to the 16
If only I had 2000 euros to spare for this beauty...
Great! That will fit on the shelf next to my Framework 13 Ryzen pre-order 😄
Numpad or no numpad? The choice is yours.
Was this a feature of the previous generation? This is really cool! Framework has settled the numpad debate.
No, it's new
At that price I’d honestly just get a MacBook. I know there’s a lot of Apple hate here, but they make phenomenal laptops.
I probably also wouldn’t ever upgrade my laptop, so framework probably isn’t for me anyways.
The point of this machine is to be repairable, not cheap. It allows you to keep the same machine for longer and reduce your e-waste in the long term.
EDIT: and yes, if you're not interested in repairability then it's not really worth it.
Definitely not worth buying if you're not planning on upgrading it in the future. The point of framework is the customizability and future-proofing, otherwise it's pretty expensive compared to similar spec-d laptops.
According to configurator, for 2000$ you get a Linux capable laptop with 32 Gb RAM, 2Tb SAD, and one of the top CPUs on the market. It’s definitely not price that MacBooks compete with this on, as anything comparable starts at 500$ more.
M1 versions do compete on price, but there’s a whole other set of trade offs there.
Enjoy your soldered storage. If it breaks you have to pay out the nose to replace an SSD, the easiest of upgrades/repairs
You can’t boot Windows or Linux natively on a MacBook, so that would be another reason to not go for it (if you care about that).
But yeah, this machine is definitely not for people who don’t want to upgrade or modify their device.
Isn't Asahi Linux native?
It is, but I don’t think it’s developed enough to be considered ready IMO.
It is for different people.
People also sleep on the unified memory of apple silicon. If you get 16gb your GPU can use it. Your cou can use it. Your ML cores can use it.
I can run some large ai models on my air just because of the unified memory. And the ML cores are insanely fast.
My m1 Mac air was the first apple product Ive owned and I have to say, I've never had a better laptop. It's so well built, everything works with no driver issues, and iterm2 is one of the best terminal emulators out there.
It's so well built, everything works with no driver issues
You might run into a lot of driver issues if you try to run anything besides MacOS.
Great, then I'd have no software to run.
I have been daily driving an apple silicon macbook pro for over a year. Honestly couldn't see myself going back and I only use my PC for gaming now.
Still some small annoyances, but the battery life...
I am glad framework exists though. It would be the top of my list if I needed a windows laptop for sure.
Honestly after my experience with the MacBook Pro 13 2017 I can't take anyone who says that Apple makes phenomenal laptops seriously.
You can't just say that and not explaining why
No Linux on new MacBooks from what I understand.
Linux is available for m1 and newer machines but your point stands.
I used nothing but Apple computers from the early 80's right until around the time that Steve Jobs died. I really liked what they were back then. Snow Leopard was an amazing OS. I've found that the spirit of what I liked about those earlier Apple computers is more present in Linux than in modern Apple computers these days.
I know there's been some success with running Linux on Apple hardware, but even so, I'd favor buying into a positive philosophy of how a business should be run and how products should be made just as much as the quality of the hardware. And in the case of Framework, it doesn't appear they're making remotely bad hardware.
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I'm really excited about these. I hope over time, some standard for modular laptops develops and it extends beyond Framework. Kind of like how we have ATX and ITX motherboards, for example. I don't pretend to grasp all of the practical issues with making that happen, but it'd be a promising direction.
I dumped a cup of coffee in my laptop a month ago and was so bummed that it wasn't for sale yet.
I would immediately buy it, if it was 15".
It's a 15" screen that's slightly taller. That's all.
My 16" laptop is smaller than my 15.6" because it has thinner bezels (tbh they were huge on the 15.6 dell)
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