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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 201 points 8 months ago (11 children)

Gotta love the movies where someone is falling only to be caught by a superhero who has accelerated to ludicrous speeds to catch the fallen and intercepts their trajectory at 90° just before hitting the ground. So the victims goes from 150mph down to some crazy speed at a 90° vector to their original path after being slammed into by superhero.

They’re so dead.

But the superhero Suspension of Disbelief Field extends to secondary characters in the story.

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 63 points 8 months ago (10 children)

You're not wrong but there is one thing: hitting the ground is an instantaneous impact with a hard surface. Being swooped in some direction is a relatively slower process - the swooper is softer than concrete, and the change in velocity is spread over a longer period of time (even if it's still "instantaneous" to the casual observer, it can be an "instant" 100 times longer than ground impact).

It's like landing on a mattress vs a hard floor - from a high enough height both are deadly, but I'd still pick the mattress.

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[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 59 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Transformer movies were awful with this. Human falling hundreds of feet to the pavement. But wait! They'll hit a giant steel hand instead! Much better. Soft.

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 13 points 8 months ago

I guess technically this could work if the robot lowers the hand at the same speed they were falling and then decelerates gently, but I bet that's not what happens in these movies.

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Isn't this the story of the original Gwen Stacy? Spiderman tries to save her, but does exactly this and the force on her body kills her anyway.

It's been a long, long time since I have read the comics but iirc, it was a defining point in the spiderman canon.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago (5 children)

It wasn't originally. It was essentially the scene from the first Spider Man movie where Goblin makes Spidey swoop in to save her, but she was already dead.

They retconned it later to make it so Spidey killed her, which is a better story.

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[–] Llamalitmus@lemmy.ca 20 points 8 months ago (13 children)

He used his web to grab her from above. I think her neck snaps from the whiplash?

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[–] leave_it_blank@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

That's exactly what I thought when I was watching that scene with that superfast dude in X Men where he saves a bunch of people by carrying them away from an explosion. They must accelerate from 1 to 1000 km/h in a mere second.

The scene is still awesome, but I don't think anyone would be alive after that.

Edit: https://youtu.be/ZnZqB5Z75zI?si=41ohBuk03Xuy5RGl

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

He would have created his own explosions just getting there either from the friction of moving all that air out of his way so he didn't collide with the atoms, or from the nuclear forces involved in colliding his atoms with the air's (and still creating a lot of friction in the process).

It would be like that light speed baseball pitch question and answer that ends up killing everyone in the stadium with a nuclear blast.

And Xavier would have done one of those himself in X2 when he freezes time at the mall... Maybe, actually I'm not clear if his ability is a time stop or if he did a mind control on everyone and made them stand still. There's another one like that in Logan, though Logan is able to fight through it, which kinda makes it even less clear exactly what he's doing. Powers!

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Yeah, Xavier can't stop time, he can just mind control people into standing still.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, with the Flash, there's the "speedforce" excuse, but quicksilver has never had that kind of effect given as part of his power set.

[–] Grippler@feddit.dk 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I hate the flash as a superhero... The dude is literally unbeatable, but he just chooses to like, not really bother.

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[–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

It's like one of the opening scenes from The Boys.

splat

Sorry Lois Lane, superman just made you into a bony pink mist.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Was thinking of the Airplane Rescue, as Homelander breaks down why everyone's fucked no matter what they do.

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[–] Potatisen@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Isn't it well known that if you're near Superman you"get" some of his powers. So him coming in to save you like this would be ok because you'd have some of his invincibility.

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (7 children)

You're saying if I have an unconscious superman, and I wear him as a backpack, I can rob banks?

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[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The cleanest explanation was that he's Superman because his powers give a psychokinetic field around his body that can absorb kinetic and other energy. It's what makes him invulnerable except for kryptonite that can just bypass and negate that field. It can also extend over other people so they can lift along and it can absorb the energy from the fall.

Alright, that's enough nerding out.

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[–] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 184 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 40 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What's the name of this comic and/or the artist. I recognize it from the fortune teller "I see you alone in an apartment with a lot of X... Jesus that's a lot of X" meme.

[–] Hereforpron2@lemmynsfw.com 106 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Largely true, but it's crazy what the difference of just a few feet of slowing down does (rather than zero feet of abrupt stopping) to acceleration forces. The crumple zone on a car only has to be 3 feet long to turn a 60mph crash from a fatality to a horrific injury.

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 76 points 8 months ago

Crumple Zone is the superhero we really need here. With thick arms and soft bones he can rush to the scene and turn sudden death into mere horrific imjuries.

[–] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Check out the absorption barriers on the edges of racetracks. They’re remarkably small for cars that could be hitting them at 100+ mph.

Of course, the cars themselves are also designed to save the driver but it’s the same concept.

[–] Hereforpron2@lemmynsfw.com 10 points 8 months ago

Totally. Every next safety measure from airbags to seatbelts are about adding extra inches, rarely even full feet, and they are shockingly effective.

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[–] Gigan@lemmy.world 62 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I disagree, the difference in deceleration from hitting concrete vs being caught could make a difference.

[–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 50 points 8 months ago (4 children)

If Superman (or whoever) uses the remaining distance between you and the ground to reduce the impulse on your body. But they also have to be careful about their speed coming in to grab you, because they could easily substitute your impact with the ground for an impact with them.

[–] JungleJim@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Superman could do it. Spiderman could not.

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[–] Tolstoshev@lemmy.world 55 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Penny: Yes, I know men can't fly.

Sheldon: No, no let's assume that they can. Lois Lane is falling, accelerating at an initial rate of 32ft per second, per second. Superman swoops down to save her by reaching out two arms of steel. Ms. Lane, who is now traveling at approximately 120 miles per hour, hits them, and is immediately sliced into three equal pieces.

Leonard: Unless Superman matches her speed and decelerates.

Sheldon: In what space, sir, in what space? She's two feet above the ground. Frankly, if he really loved her, he'd let her hit the pavement. It would be a more merciful death.

[–] Rolando@lemmy.world 43 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Superman should just fly completely under Lois, grab her and instantly match her speed, and crash through the concrete and the layers below (protecting her with his Super Bod), decelerating slowly enough that Lois is saved without harm.

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[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 39 points 8 months ago (1 children)

My favorite thing like this, even though I love the movie, is The Iron Giant. His hand is fucking metal and he caught them like 6 ft before they hit the ground anyways.

[–] StoneyDcrew@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

I recall that scene. Didn't he lower his hand as they fell into it so it slows them? I remember appreciating that detail when I saw it

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 37 points 8 months ago

The sheer amount of cardio in panel 2

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This is why Gwen Stacy's death was so confusing to some people

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[–] ech@lemm.ee 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I read a fan theory somewhere that Superman's actual powers are matter manipulation, able to change things like densities, speed, and energy with just a touch. It was interesting to think about.

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[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What if he redirects the momentum by doing a cool flip

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[–] jBlight@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Spiderman knows this all to well

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

This is why all super heroes have inertial dampeners.

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Incorrect. There are additional lateral acceleration forces due to SuperDude flying at the speed of sound to catch him. At least the sidewalk doesn’t need to be cleaned.

[–] sean@infosec.pub 11 points 8 months ago

And so does the guy catching him

[–] mrfriki@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Also Billy now have two arms less than before.

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