Global network of sadistic monkey torture exposed by BBC : news

[–] alyaza@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

this is a thread which is newsworthy, but unfortunately this is going to have to be the first thread we lock because it's:

a magnet for people making violent threats that aren't really acceptable and kind of kill the vibe;
a thread where half the comments are some ridiculous argument about veganism and whether eating meat is comparable to this;
and a thread where just generally, the contributions have been the expected "that's awful!" but like. nothing else besides the ridiculous argument that isn't even really on topic. if you want to debate veganism and its merits or whether it's an apt comparison to circumstances like this, please just make a thread for that in Chat or something. i don't think this is asking too much.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Silver lining, they were caught.

I made such a surprised face when the torture mogul decided to pose in front of a Trump flag. 😐

[–] thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz 11 points 1 year ago

"I'm not a bad guy," claims man with swastika tatoo, standing in front of Confederate flag.

[–] nlm@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why the fuck is humanity so completely deranged? :(

[–] somefool@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have no fucking clue but it gets tiring...

[–] nlm@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wonder if we're actually getting worse or if it's just easier for the scum to coordinate and to some degree also be more visible due to the internet.

It is starting to feel like things used to be better, like we're spiraling out of control.

There were more and more mass shootings, the alt right/extremists are spreading like a wild fire all over the globe, shit like this keeps happening.

I mean what the fuck? Where are we heading? And why? :/

[–] BrotherLou@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

if it's just easier for the scum to coordinate

It is, read through history books. Humans always been absoulte scum of the earth

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[–] CIWS-30@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My theory is that we were created by whatever most mythologies define as the devil, or altered / modified genetically by such a being into what we are today. The nice people who are altruistic are genetic throwbacks that the devil tried his hardest to breed out of the human race, but he wasn't 100% successful.

Also, the true purpose of humanity is to destroy the earth via pollution and by killing and eating all the animals rather than to save the earth / take care of the animals. Things like cognitive dissonance were installed via software reprogramming (brainwashing) to take care of the remnant "moral feelings" that couldn't quite be gotten rid of through DNA tweaking.

If you look at what the vast majority of what humankind are doing (rather than the small vocal minority of environmentalists) it honestly makes sense. Then again, I've come to see "God" as a mad scientist / absent minded professor who was all "Let's move fast and break things, it'll all probably work out post-beta" rather than an all powerful creator being. One of the many reasons I left the church.

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[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is by far the most fucked up thing I've read in a long time. What the fuck is wrong with people? There is no punishment too inhumane for anyone who would do this.

[–] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do you feel the same way about people who eat meat?

[–] somefool@beehaw.org 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't feel like that's a fair comparison. Meat consumption has a lot of issues, but the consumer, at the end of the production chain, does not eat his steak with the mindset of "how much more can I make an animal suffer for the lulz, and can we take pliers to it first?". Mostly, they are apathetic or unaware. (Disclosure: I have reduced meat a lot myself but am not entirely out yet and I keep giving myself B12 deficiency.)

I'd compare with much higher in the production chain, the people who devised and enforce inhumane practices.

[–] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But people are aware, they know meat is animals, they actively choose not to actually think about it and change their ways.

Even you who just said you know also admit you're still eating meat.

Humans can easily thrive without meat or any other animal products, that means consuming it is purely preference, preferring to hurt animals because you like the taste of their corpses instead of just eating plants is fucked up.

btw. you should definitely be taking a B12 supplement, the animals you eat are fed the supplement so when you stop eating meat you need to take the supplement yourself.

[–] somefool@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am taking supplements, but I need to figure my shit out because I fuck up either on the B12 or iron, each time. My first "bad" B12 deficiency came with some nerve issues and I do not want a repeat of that, it doesn't entirely go away.

My goal is to entirely cut out meat, though. Right now, I don't buy it for home food, but if I'm out with friends or coworkers, I'll get whatever. It's iterative, and as more alternatives become available in public places, I'll get there.

[–] Joe@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's how I started too, and now I'm a die hard vegan :)

If your goal is in that direction, don't get yourself down when you hit setbacks. I can thrive now, but when I was first beginning my journey I struggled a lot with eating out, especially abroad.

A setback doesn't mean you can't keep moving forward

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[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Imagine being such an unbelievable dumbarse that you think mindless torture is the same as natural carnivorous dietary habits.

[–] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Humans can easily thrive without meat or any other animal products, that means consuming it is purely preference, preferring to hurt animals because you like the taste of their corpses instead of just eating plants is fucked up.

[–] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Downvoting me doesn't make needless killing any less cruel.

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[–] Joe@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're calling someone an unbelievable dumbarse and then immediately using a logical fallacy, who's the dumbarse here?

An appeal to nature is a pathetic defense. It's natural to rape and murder too, but obviously we recognise that those are negative things that should be avoided. Why do you think needlessly killing an animal is any different?

[–] Killakomodo@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You don't need to rape or murder to live, you need food to survive, kinda two different things.

[–] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Humans can easily thrive with a plant based diet.

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[–] Thatch@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

For big slaughter houses etc it is the same. The animals there a tortured on a daily basis. I'm not saying all meat eaters are evil, there are small local farms where animals can live a good life. But the large scale industrial meat (and dairy) production is just this.

[–] sab@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Unless the only reason you're enjoying your beef is because you enjoy thinking about how the animal was suffering to produce it, the two are not the same.

I'm not saying the meat industry isn't evil, but it's not torture for the sake of torture. They just don't give a shit and are only concerned about profits, which is messed up but not the same.

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[–] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Even small local farms are still needlessly killing animals for profit/taste

[–] interolivary@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Humans aren't "naturally carnivorous"

[+] BrotherLou@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

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[–] racer983@mander.xyz 6 points 1 year ago

Well that's enough internet for today. Geeze. So glad these people are being tracked down so they can be brought to justice.

[–] Buzz4074@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

Well, that's enough internet for today :(

[–] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Reminder that the animals people eat are also living and feeling beings who don't want to die for your burger.

[–] Tischkante@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While you are correct, this is taking away from the outrage about the hurt animals mentioned in this post.

Its rarely like: poor animals I've been eating all my life, I'll be vegan now.

It's more often like: good point, I shouldn't care about these animals neither.

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[–] livus@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (16 children)

I would still rather be killed and eaten than slowly tortured for weeks by someone making money off torture videos.

[–] Joe@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Neither needs to happen

[–] livus@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

A lot of things that happen in this world don't need to happen.

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[–] Gru@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Plants let out an ultrasonic scream when their leaves are cut or they don't get enough water

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/plants-shriek-with-high-pitched-ultrasonic-clicks-when-stressed-study-2023-3%3famp

[–] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Most farmed plants are used as animal feed, eating plants directly uses much less.

So even if this nonsense argument had any validity veganism would still be the answer.

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[–] LollerCorleone@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What the fuck?

[–] bane_killgrind@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I agree what the fuck

[+] zaidka@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] edgerunneralexis@dataterm.digital 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah, perfect, solve inhumane crimes with.... other inhumane crimes, to humans. Totally. Let's totally bring back eugenics for "undesirables."

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Day ruined. This is sick

[–] livus@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I heard about the baby monkey video phenomenon a few years ago, so hearing a few of these scumbags have actually been caught made my day.

There is still way too much adjacent material on youtube.

[–] james@lemmy.jamesj999.co.uk 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Absolutely messed up. What is wrong with people?!?

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[–] grus@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

What. The. Fuck.

[–] Saturdaycat@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Of course they're circulated on telegram and Facebook. With those flags behind him, I can just imagine his type of clientele. That's incredibly disturbing and unfortunately doesn't surprise me but I didn't expect something like this. Seems like a movie plot level of villains but here we are in reality and this disturbing stuff.

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