Permacomputing

Maybe just be glad you have the freedom to choose a cyclable region and have a house insulated well enough to turn down the heating.

It doesn’t do any good that one person has an insulated house. The problem is when you have 1000 teleworkers working from uninsulated homes as opposed to an office building with 1000 people. Office buildings are insulated while residential homes are often not. The energy waste of moving staff from an insulated office into individually heated homes is bad for everyone.

It’s also a false ecology because these people think they are doing the environment a favor by not driving.

or about their intelligence based on their workplace.

The (bogus) claim was:

The author assumes that the alternative to remote work is that everyone bikes to work (year round) and doesn’t heat/cool their homes when they’re unoccupied?

The CO₂ footprint of burning gas to commute to work is insignificant compared to the cost of heating and cooling individual homes all day long. The cycling option merely goes above and beyond to render the claim that teleworking is somehow climate-favorable absurd. Cycling is not a premise and it was not a necessary component to my thesis. In fact, I just muddied the waters by mentioning it.

The stupidity I referred to was the 2nd part of what I quoted-- the claim that people heat and cool unoccupied homes to a notable extent. If a workplace really has a significant number of staff who are heating and cooling unoccupied homes, then I still hold that such a workplace has a notable number of low intelligence workers. That’s hypothetical IMO, because most likely no such workplace exists. Most people have enough sense to not heat and cool an unoccupied house. That’s a safe assumption. I would need to see proof to the contrary.

None of these are worthy points for any discussion anywhere.

BeefPiano’s argument leads to a workplace full of fools. Surely you don’t have so many people foolish enough to heat and cool unoccupied homes. So it follows from that that it’s poor claim to make. It’s unlikely that people actually believe that a large number of people would do that, from which a workplace full of fools would manifest. Did someone walk away from that thinking beefPiano’s workplace was full of fools? Unlikely. You would only conclude that if you actually bought into beefPiano’s claim.

IOW, it’s not my stance that his workplace was low intelligence workers (that’s effectively his stance). I’m saying surely not. Surely people are sensible with their thermostats.

Of course your recommendations about insulation, tree shade, etc. are spot on technically, but only a few people have actually any choice about where they live or work.

I don’t believe that. Places like Cuba and N.Korea aside, most people have a choice where they work and where they live. Many (perhaps a majority) voluntarily make the poor choice to live and work far apart as they take for granted the convenience cars give them. Most particularly in the US. But that’s not the poor decision the thread is centered on -- it’s the next poor decision: to telework (and worse, from an uninsulated house).

Note as well we are talking about careers where teleworking is possible. You might say a min. wage janitor who lives outside a high cost region and commutes is “trapped”, but teleworking is not even an option for janitors and other blue collar workers. We are talking white collar workers who generally earn well above living wages. They are not trapped and have both free choice of where to work and where to live.