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[–] arcticpiecitylights@beehaw.org 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I mean, obviously people care, but I think there are a lot of comfortable cis-het liberals who aren't as willing to go to the mattresses for their neighbors as they should be.

[–] animist@lemmy.one 11 points 1 year ago

It took them decades just to support gay marriage, going to take them longer to support our trans comrades

[–] CynAq@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

This is so frustrating.

I'm a staunch ally even though I'm not lgbtq+ myself and regularly get into arguments with people in my social circles regarding this issue.

The most annoying take people have is "I support everyone's right to live their life as they wish so I won't take a stance either way".

Like... Are you even hearing what you are saying?!

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think most people kinda just go with the flow on social issues. Which means they will probably just interact with you like a human being, but not go out of their way to do something special. And honestly....I just wanna be treated as normal, haha. I still wish certain portions of the US were more chill and disinterested in us (cough cough, inland and southern states)

[–] jennifilm@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

I think you're right here, and I think that's being taken advantage of by the disinformation peddlers. The anti-trans rhetoric is so loud and so prevalent but in practice is being generated by an extremely vocal minority - but because they make so much noise, there's the notion that their stance is generally accepted. One of the best ways to combat that is for more allies to be more vocal - online, in their day to day lives - it doesn't have to be big, in fact small and consistent probably has a bigger effect!

[–] edgerunneralexis@dataterm.digital 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Here's the money part of the article for anyone who doesn't want to click through:

the most clear-cut example of this suppression is happening in Montana, where a drag ban was passed this year. Like most of this crop of drag bans, the Montana law was so broad and overly vague that the Dallas Symphony Orchestra could be considered “obscene” if its third clarinet player was transgender. Despite assurances from Montana Republicans that their drag ban had nothing to do with transgender people, the first application of the law was to ban a transgender person from speaking at a public library, based on the legal advice of county attorneys.

The event was not drag. It was a presentation on the history of trans and two-spirit people being given as part of Pride month. The speaker, Adria Jawort, was not presenting obscene material. She was not dressing or acting in a way meant to titillate. She was going to give a history lesson in a public library, and the government effectively said, “No, it is illegal for that person to do so because they are trans and dressing in a manner consistent with their gender identity, even if the way they dress is legal for other individuals.”

In other words, if a cisgender (non-transgender) person presented that same material, it would be legal. But for a transgender person to present it, they would have to detransition (i.e., erase themselves). When the government tells a class of people that they cannot speak in public and cannot express themselves in a way that everyone else can (with clothing that is perfectly acceptable in public for everyone else), this is a clear violation of the First Amendment. And yet there’s nary a peep from the people who promised to march with trans people or defend freedom of speech to the death, because they cared first and foremost about ensuring that they retained their own commercial platforms, while painting trans people as the villains.

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When it comes to trans people, the right seemingly wants to go even further to curtail their constitutional rights. Presidential candidate Nikki Haley has been campaigning on the idea that transgender people are why teen girls attempt suicide. This is patent nonsense, of course: Teen suicide rates are lowest in states where trans people are protected by law and highest in the state (Idaho) that has led the charge to ban them from sports and locker rooms. Haley, however, singles out comedian and TikTok influencer Dylan Mulvaney in particular as a cause of teen girls contemplating suicide.

“Make no mistake. That is a guy, dressed up like a girl, making fun of women. Women don’t act like that. Yet everybody’s wondering why a third of our teenage girls seriously contemplated suicide last year?” Haley said of the TikTok celebrity. Most of Mulvaney’s videos are fluff—a video diary along with makeup, hair, and skin care tips: stuff that any cisgender social media influencer would have no trouble posting. But the implication by Haley is clear: Transgender people, and content, must be removed from anywhere that might be seen by people under 18, even if the content itself is innocuous.

Pause for a moment to consider: This is a serious GOP candidate for president strongly implying that the government should ensure that a class of people are denied access to social media and forbidden from putting content featuring themselves on the internet. It is hard not to draw comparisons to Germany’s banning Jews from writing for newspapers in 1933, then banning them from stage and screen in 1934.

On that last point, the literal Lemkin Institute, the organization founded in memory of the man who invented the term genocide, thinks today's anti-trans movements are possibly genocidal.

[–] EmilyIsTrans@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been watching the devolution into genocide from Australia. It's scary how much apathy there is from cis people.

[–] withersailor@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

It doesn't affect them, so they ignore it. This quote:

First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me

By Martin Niemöller https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

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