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[–] Mio@feddit.nu 11 points 1 year ago

Yes, pollution is a big problem. Not sure why so many people ignore it.

I keep it simple and use the communal traffic(bus/train) instead. I have never bought a car and don't miss it as i live near the things I need grocery store and workplace(bike 5km).

[–] arc@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Well obviously less vehicles of any kind would be a benefit. Cities designed around people with public transport options would always beat out a society where everyone has a car. I think there is more push on this in Europe than the US, where outside of the big cities public transport is virtually non-existent. Urban planning should emphasis central districts to create transport hubs where people eat / work / shop and therefore demand to make public transport. And outside of that cycle routes, footpaths etc.

But electric vehicles are still much better than ICE vehicles. Over their life time they account for 1/4 emissions (depending on how power is generated) and those emissions can be more effectively captured. And of course renewables bring the emissions down year on year. There is a direct correlation between NOx emissions and respiratory deaths so this is a good thing. Also less CO2 emissions and contribution to global warming. Also, particulates are much less - brakes are not the primary source of deceleration in an EV (regen is) so pads don't see anything like as much use as an ICE car. Some EVs are even going back to using drum brakes where the dust is basically captured inside an enclosed drum. The tyres also aren't any worse or faster wearing than ICE vehicles so in that regard it's even.

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[–] Tischkante@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 year ago

Neat an excuse to change nothing in a fuck cars space…

[–] El_guapazo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They conveniently left off the 3 month oil changes, grease fittings, transmission fluid, gear oil, brake fluid, power steering fluid, etc. Cars have a lot of fluids and after market additives that people use to try and pass the inspection tests. Also the corruption where people pay off the inspectors to make sure the vehicle passes

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[–] thantik@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (21 children)

I always have felt like blaming cars, of all things, misses the bigger picture. 1 crude oil shipping vessel produces more pollution than the entirety of cars in America will for a year. Cars are one of the things that actually empowers individuals to live their individualized lives. Hell, some people live in their cars/rv/campers and it allows people to escape the rigors of daily life.

I agree we should take aim at making them more environmentally friendly, and take a harder focus on replacing plastic components with metal and/or other recyclable alternatives. If we could sequester carbon into them somehow that would be even better; but things like carbon fiber require nasty epoxies that are difficult to break down again once they need to be recycled.

[–] Poggervania@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Cars are one of the things that actually empowers individuals to live their individualized lives.

So if I’m forced to live in my car or forced to use it because I would otherwise most likely be run over if I was riding a bike or the distance is too far for walking and I can’t catch public transit to my destination, am I empowered? Having a choice of how I want to get to places is empowering, not “oh I’ll guess I’ll go in my car”. I can see the argument for living in a car, but I also know that people sometimes make that choice because it is literally cheaper to buy and re-do a car so they can live in it rather than renting in some areas.

Cars are, and honestly should be treated as, a luxury good. It’s fun to drive around some routes form time-to-time, but I’d much rather bike or ride public transit to places rather than drive.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is one of the main cores behind the anti car and fifteen minutes city concepts. I'm currently facing the choice. Should I buy a car? Because, though I currently move and live without, using a car for commute would be a net personal gain. Biking is not an option, there is no infrastructure nor protections for moving on a bicycle in my city. I have to commute 50km each way, my job is not possible to be done from home, moving closer to work is financially prohibitive. Any new job would be near the same exact geographic area. A car would reclaim almost 3 hours of my day and multiply my options for leisure 10 fold for relatively cheaper. I hate to have to face that dilemma.

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[–] Sneptaur@pawb.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The position of most people in this community is usually "Cars should cease to be the primary means of transportation for North Americans as soon as possible". There are cases where cars and trucks are the only logical option, like rural communities, but in cities we should be aggressively against cars as a primary means of transportation. Nothing solves the the problems cars cause like replacing them with a train or bus or cycling

[–] cestvrai@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Even living in a European city with good bike and public transit options, I run into cases where a car is the only logical option.

Which is why I rent them a few times and year which basically comes down to sharing a handful of cars between a few hundred neighbours. Every single person having one or multiple cars is insanity, especially when you consider traffic conditions.

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[–] ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I know you're being hyperbolic to try and make a point, but according to the International Maritime Organization:

The greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions — including carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4) and nitrous oxide (N2O), expressed in CO2e — of total shipping (international, domestic and fishing) have increased from 977 million tonnes in 2012 to 1,076 million tonnes in 2018 (9.6% increase).

Whereas in a pdf from the EPA at the bottom of this page says passenger cars and light-duty trucks produced 1,046 million metric tons of CO2 in 2021.

So to recap, all maritime shipping in the world produced only slightly more CO2 than the passenger cars and light trucks only in the United States.

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[–] bstix@feddit.dk 7 points 1 year ago

The thing is that the 1 container ship transports a hell of lot more actual cargo from one place to the other than personal cars, which are mostly used for commuting lazy buttchecks back to where they came from in the morning.

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