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just so this doesn't overwhelm our front page too much, i think now's a good time to start consolidating discussions. existing threads will be kept up, but unless a big update comes let's try to keep what's happening in this thread instead of across 10.

developments to this point:

The Verge is on it as usual, also--here's their latest coverage (h/t @dirtmayor@beehaw.org):

other media coverage:

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[–] noob_dragon@beehaw.org 25 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Wow, RedReader somehow managed to get spared due to its accessibility features. Was not on my bingo card at all. I guess somehow I can still manage to use Reddit completely ad free, but who knows for how long. Even better, the RedReader dev might have plans to integrate Lemmy into it.

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[–] tyler@beehaw.org 25 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I wonder how much backtracking will be done. Are they going to listen to the concerns of the community or are they going to double down on their decisions?

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[–] RomanRoy@lemmy.fmhy.ml 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Coming from Joey for Reddit. They pulled a survey today for its users asking 2 questions: if we'd be willing to pay and how much and for some suggestion for the future of the app.

I said no and suggested them to think about developing an app for Lemmy.

Joey is great. Looks like it lacks tools for modding, but I couldn't care less. It has everything else, is beautiful and customizable.

Such a shame to see it sinking because of Reddit's bullshit.

I really hope we go forward with this migration.

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[–] dirtmayor@beehaw.org 22 points 1 year ago

Hacker News: Reddit bans subreddit detailing how to move to competitor Kbin

KbinMigration Subreddit URL: https://old.reddit.com/r/KbinMigration

Hacker News Comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36268458

[–] freshhotbiscuits@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The AMA with u/spez has started. Get your popcorn ready. It’s already been a good start

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[–] blitzen@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The “non-commercial” requirement to exempt third party accessibility apps is extremely underhanded and not being talked about enough.

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[–] dirtmayor@beehaw.org 20 points 1 year ago
[–] Rhabuko@feddit.de 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What a colossal shit show. They're hellbent on destroying third party competition before the IPO. Next on the chopping block are old.reddit and porn.

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[–] V4uban@beehaw.org 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] kherge@beehaw.org 24 points 1 year ago

I wish they included Selig's follow up on disproving the app's supposed inefficiency.

[–] rimlogger@beehaw.org 19 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Hello. While what Reddit is doing isn't great, it's the reality of running a site that's now owned by venture capital to make some kind of economic return for its owners. Running a site like that isn't free, and advertising dollars alone are probably not enough to generate the sort of return that its owners are looking for (or even pay for the its costs).

The core issue is twofold: Big Tech has devalued online services to the point where users are inured to not paying for them, and because of this inurement, most users are unwilling to pay for most online services if they don't seem to be offering a value add. Gaming services like Steam have managed to get their users to pay but that's because they are offering a service that's generally superior to piracy, such as immediate downloads, achievements, and other online services. But no one is ever going to pay to use a message board, and I doubt gimmicks like Reddit Gold bring in much money.

Perhaps the future is found in the past - people migrating back to self-hosted message boards - there used to be thousands of these back in the 1990s and 2000s. Some of them were run as small businesses, others were run as hobbyist projects by their owners. But I doubt there's going to be a mass exodus, and unfortunately, centralization has increasingly become the norm for the Internet.

[–] ApathyMoose@beehaw.org 25 points 1 year ago

The thing about it is its not like people were against paying. these apps are willing to pay. I mean, read the Apollo Devs post if you havnt. He has audio recordings and transcripts

https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/

They are just pricing out third-party apps because they dont want them around. The problem is noone is going to sign up for Reddit Gold. They will just use old.reddit.com with a pop up blocker on the desktop. They wont make ad income from them either.

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[–] TheBurlapBandit@beehaw.org 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Spamming /r/LemmyMigration on all his answers. Doing my part lol

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[–] ulu_mulu@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago
[–] Sam_uk@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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AskHistorians and uncertainty surrounding the future of API access:

Putting into layman's terms what reddit is deleting. Also the number of false promises by Big Reddit, it's just crazy.

[–] ApathyMoose@beehaw.org 17 points 1 year ago

"First, thank you for all the years of dedication to Reddit. You’re amazing." - My favorite Mod post of the AMA

[–] howdy@thesimplecorner.org 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Time to get my popcorn ready! (First post from my instance).

[–] carlyman@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How much were these apps making in revenue? Curious how bad the gap is with the API pricing.

[–] Alkalyon@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago (9 children)

If I read it correctly Christian(Apollo Dev) made ~$500.000 for this year by having 50.000 people get the $10 subscription. The problem is that now, since on the 6th month of the year he is forced to shut it down, he has to refund these people for the rest of the money(so ~$250.000).

From what I understand though, the problem is that Reddit doesn't want to lose revenue from 3rd party apps avoiding adds, so in this section, from Christian's own recording(which is legal in Canada) he mentions that Apollo is costing $20m/year and that's what Reddit is after.

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