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i hope its allowed, if not pls tell me and i will move it to another instance.

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[–] sascuach@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Not that it's my place to say, but preferably people shoplift from Walmart and big retail rather than Mom and Pop stores.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My objection is that shoplifting contributes to food deserts. But hey, I'm just some capitalist shill or something.

[–] sascuach@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How does shoplifting at Walmart contribute to food deserts? Srs question

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Retail outlets will tolerate a certain amount of product loss (shoplifting) as just a cost of doing business. But if an area has so much shoplifting that the location is losing money, it will eventually get shut down. It doesn't matter if they're a massive big box retailer or a mom and pop store. Stores cannot stay open if they are being bled dry by shoplifting, and they will leave eventual.

[–] sascuach@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If frippa's efforts leads to any store shutting down I'd be impressed. But yes you have a good point. However it isn't limited to food deserts. Like it could lead to tech deserts if ppl keep on robbing an apple store

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Alone, of course one person wouldn't. But if shoplifting is rampant in an area, it absolutely will make a difference. There's a mall near me that has slowly been hollowed out because the area had an increase in shoplifting. Retail typically runs on very low profit margins, so it's surprisingly easy to push them into being unprofitable.

I focused on food deserts because (1) food is a critical human need and (2) food must be bought frequently. Traveling to a consumer electronics store is something one would typically do only occasionally. Grocery shopping tends to be somewhere around weekly. But yes, it would equally apply to consumer electronics or other stores.

[–] sascuach@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

What stops the store from stepping up security similar to the way gas stations operate? where you tell them what you want and they bring it to you, and the staff don't let you into the store.

[–] frippa@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Not for ethical reasons tho, both exploit people

[–] sascuach@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Not that I'm a scholar, but iirc petite bourgeois aren't considered nearly as problematic in commie literature as regular bourgeois.

Considering I'm on Lemmy, someone will correct me if I'm wrong

[–] frippa@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They are still buying and selling commodities produced with the exploitation of the workers, and even if they have let's sya 1 employee, According to the labor theory of value, that's an employee exploited (paid less than what he produces) AND EVEN if they don't have external employees, F- . Engels in the origin of family says that capitalistic behaviors can be found in the family (ex: parents, partners and children coerced to work for basically pennies)

[–] sascuach@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In hydrarchy, the captain is paid x2 of regular crew (iirc). In worker co-ops it varies, but the highest pay worker is paid x5.

In like amazon i heard jeff bezos makes x364 ish of the lowest paid worker.

If captain pay = regular crew pay, then no exploitation?

[–] frippa@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

come on not all small shops are coops

[–] sascuach@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've worked for a few small shops, and yeah I agree they're non optimal.

If captain pay = regular crew pay, then no exploitation?

[–] frippa@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No exploitation = you're paid the value of your work, impossible in capitalism

[–] sascuach@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Worker coops can and do exist under the larger umbrella off capitalism, and within that company, you're paid reasonably. If capitalism stop existing what difference would that make to Worker coops?

[–] frippa@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm just saying that not all small shops are coops and that not all coops are small, ergo. Shoplifting from small stores ≠ shoplifting from coops

[–] sascuach@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Okay ic we mostly agree :)

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sure but one has far more means to exploit far more people, whose employees I would assume are far less motivated to catch shoplifters.

[–] frippa@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Pasted: They are still buying and selling commodities produced with the exploitation of the workers, and even if they have let's sya 1 employee, According to the labor theory of value, that's an employee exploited (paid less than what he produces) AND EVEN if they don't have external employees, F- . Engels in the origin of family says that capitalistic behaviors can be found in the family (ex: parents, partners and children coerced to work for basically pennies)

[–] sascuach@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can we establish a hierarchy of targets to shoplift from?

  1. Tesla, anything Elon owns

  2. Amazon fraud, anything Bezos owns

Basically write out all the billionaires in order of richest to poorest and that should be the lift list

[–] frippa@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago
[–] drone328@midwest.social 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Everytime I see a community like this I assume it's a cop creating it.

[–] sascuach@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Half the time anybody wants to post anything that could be vaguely described as activism, a netizen calls it a sting operation

[–] frippa@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Hi Mr fed /j

[–] frippa@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

=( maybe I should post my hauls

[–] wiki_me@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The report feature does not work for me, If anybody wants to try they can copy paste what i wrote:

To me this crosses a line, breaking the law because your pet economic theory says it's ok, It might attract a bad crowd and maybe even cause legal problems.

[–] sascuach@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

If you work for Amazon and they don't pay you $100, legal.

If you work for Amazon and you take $100 extra, illegal.

It should be same rules for both.

Cc @frippa@lemmy.ml

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago

the famous bad crowd - shoplifters

[–] frippa@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

My pet economic theory ruled half of the world

[–] vitaminka@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

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[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Nice! The subreddit was good until it just became people posting their hauls and obviously was banned.

[–] dreamLogic 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I work in retail and we have shoplifters all the time because we are in a shady area. Lots of arrests but some people get away. I have doubts even with the rampant shoplifting the place will ever shut down. I don't see a huge issue about having a community for it. It's not going to enable more successful shoplifting.

[–] sascuach@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

It’s not going to enable more successful shopliftin

Then the community would have failed in its primary objective