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Valve's plan to bring SteamOS to more devices is a promising sign if you want to stop gaming on Windows (www.pcguide.com)

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[–] 1ns1p1d@lemm.ee 4 points 16 hours ago

I'm definitely a recent convert. I hate Windows 11 and all the various features it shoves down my throat these days. I bought a steam deck and ended up dabbling in the desktop mode enough to realize the learning process will be mostly fun for me. I'm mostly gaming these days anyway. I don't use the computers I have at home for much more than that.

[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Like it or not, this is the easiest way to get Linux further into the mainstream. I've had Linux on my laptop for about a year or so and have been loving it, but I've still been wary about switching my gaming PC. I think the biggest issue with most people hesitant to switch is ease of use. From the outside Linux looks cryptic and kinda scary for most people. I mean you have to do research just to find out which distro to use and even then might not even find one you like on the first try. With Windows... You just install Windows and you can already do everything you need to do.

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 13 points 21 hours ago

One could argue it's been mainstream for a while. We just don't call it Linux. We call it android, game consoles, TVs etc... for consumers they look at hardware and software as one in the same.

If I were to guess, if steam os takes off, we will have another word other than Linux for these machines.

[+] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Honestly Linux market share doesn't matter much.

With that being said Linux can be used however you see fit as long as you aren't violating licensing

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 20 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Unless your game bans you from playing because you're on Linux, then market share matters a ton

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -4 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Gaming has nothing to do with Linux. I wish that we could just move on from that. It isn't the fault of Linux or anyone in the community that some companies choose to ban from you to running there software. Market share is unlikely to cause major changes.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

If it was 50% market share, nobody would ignore Linux

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think that's ever going to happen.

But even if it did, do you seriously think legacy companies would want to support it? Linux encourages knowledge, tinkering and vendor independence which is not what these companies want. They want a locked down platform that keeps the companies safe.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Valve wants a platform that they don't need to pay fees on

[–] bargo@mastodon.tn 1 points 17 hours ago

@possiblylinux127 @iopq
in reality, gaming on Linux became since a long time way better than on winlol, and Mesa & CodeWeavers are actively working to make it better every day, the problem comes from developers, mainly kernel-level anticheat, according to members on the fediverse or one of the communities I follow on fb, it all comes down to a simple checkbox if you want the game to allow running on Linux or nay, so the blame falls down to stupid devs not the OS

[–] sheogorath@lemmy.world 0 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I want to move to Linux but the value proposition for game pass is too damn good, I haven't bought games the last 3 years because the last 5 games that I bought all got into game pass. It's like they have this one executive that has the same taste as me.

I'll stick with windows for gaming (sadly) until my financial situation improves ಥ⁠‿⁠ಥ

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

My daughter uses game pass on Linux. I think she streams it though.

[+] Shirasho@lemmings.world -25 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The biggest hurdle by far is that you need to compile the software you want to use from source more often that is acceptable for the average user. There is also a serious lack of proper hardware driver support.

Linux is way too fragmented and trying to get up and running with basic apps requires way too much technical skill.

I really do hope that SteamOS will finally solve these problems by having the backing of a foundation (company) that has years of UX experience (with multiple failures and successes under their belt) that targets a wide range of audiences. This should give hardware manufacturers confidence that developing drivers for that OS will not be a waste of time.

[–] stiephelando@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wtf, I use Linux and have never compiled anything.

[–] FoolHen@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

That doesn't mean that others don't have to. I installed Debian on a partition and couldn't get the WiFi USB stick to work. The manufacturers drivers couldn't be installed because they were ancient, and installing a generic one for the chip didn't work. Had to give up. In windows it's plug and play.

[–] stiephelando@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 18 hours ago

I had the same experience with an old printer: Linux recognized it directly whereas Windows didn't. I wouldn't say that Linux has a strong disadvantage at these things.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

compile the software you want to use from source more often that is acceptable for the average user.

Wut? I've been using Linux in some form or another for years and that is greatly exaggerated even for back then

Linux is way too fragmented and trying to get up and running with basic apps requires way too much technical skill.

Um. WHAT. most distros are just some flavor of one of the handful of major ones, like Debian (Even Ubuntu is based on Debian). If it's a Linux application, it'll probably work on your distro. There's some other cases, like FreeBSD which isn't a Linux kernel, so things differ there, but it's unlikely you'll be running it at home unless you're venturing out of "average user" domain, like Arch for Linux.

Things have never been easier

[–] naught@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago

The majority of users won't even touch the command line if they're on a noob friendly distro. Been that way for a long time. Only Gentoo users are compiling from source, and even then, not that frequently

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The biggest hurdle by far is that you need to compile the software you want to use from source more often that is acceptable for the average user.

I've been using Linux as my main OS since 2007 and not had to do that once.

Linux is way too fragmented and trying to get up and running with basic apps requires way too much technical skill.

> open app store

> search

> install any flatpak you like

If anything Windows is the complicated one in this regard.

[–] bargo@mastodon.tn 1 points 1 day ago

@TheGrandNagus @Shirasho I remember doing that in high school in 2018 but I forgot all about it because I never again after class did that

[–] VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 12 hours ago

Very excited for the super new inductees that just want to build a Steam home console.

Buuuuut I really have not had issues with anything except Anti-Cheat (which Steam Deck has issues with anyway) using Pop!_OS on my PC.

It did take some learning, but most of that was done through just using the OS.

The only time I had issues doing something I wanted to was when I initially tried to install Mod Organizer 2 for Fallout: New Vegas. That took some reading up. Ended up being an easy fix and then all I had to do was learn how to install Windows components to my F:NV prefix in Protontricks to get almost any mod running.

So for anyone who wants to plug in and play their games, Linux is basically there. And for anyone more technical, it's not a crazy amount more work to do the stuff you're already doing.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'll install it on my gaming desktop day 1...

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Any big distro will do now, maybe no HDR.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 3 points 19 hours ago

Yea I use Mint. So I'm kinda already there.

[–] exu@feditown.com 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Works with Wayland btw, though still experimental

[–] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

I got it to work on Bazzite after hours of research into understanding how to convince Steam to actually pass the HDR data between the game and my monitor. Then one day Bazzite just decided it didn’t want to recognize that my monitor was an HDR monitor. I haven’t felt like looking into it lately because the research I did spend hours doing led me to finding piecemeal information about how the underlying systems of Proton and gamescope work through the breadcrumbs of information I can find in Linux forums.

I desperately want to enjoy using Linux but the lack of comprehensive documentation that appears relevant to a user’s situation makes it incredibly frustrating

[–] themadcodger@kbin.earth 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If you haven't already, take a look at Bazzite for your desktop. I've actually replaced SteamOS with it.

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

What's the benefit of the os vs say steam os?

[–] bargo@mastodon.tn 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

@mesamunefire @themadcodger in tunisia at least, the number one way to play games is:-through piracy (I hate piracy but if you are born in tunisia then it is very very hard to pay for anything virtual like games) -via launchers like Battle.net for HS -via custom .exe like for Project Celeste.. in short Steam is not the only way to get games, Steam OS and by consequence the Steamdeck is not even officialy on sale in tunisia anywhere and going to desktop mode requires intellect which is not common

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

Interesting. Yeah I can see that being an issue.

I've heard it can be hard to get a steam deck or steam deck adjacent machines outside official stores.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 2 points 23 hours ago

Ill take a look today!

[–] fubo@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The built-in Proton WINE does pretty darn well for me already. Baldur's Gate 3 plays fine on my Pop!_OS system.

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

Same bg3 works great! I'm running on steam deck and pop os at different intervals. It's fun.

[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Same. Doesn't play Deadlock very well which I find really funny since it's a Valve game. But it's a play test so I'll give it a pass for now.

[–] SeventySeven@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

I hope this helps give Linux some love. Been using Bazzite and it seems to do the job pretty well.