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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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The woman, Talisa Coombs, told Delaney she’d just gotten into what she alleged was a physical altercation with her granddaughter’s mother, Maria Pike, and called 911. Independence police’s response to that 911 call ended with the shooting death of Pike, 34, and her two month old daughter, Destinii Hope — who were identified Tuesday by authorities from the Police Involved Investigative Team, or PIIT, a team of eastern Jackson County detectives called in to investigate police shootings and use-of-force incidents.

The officer who fired his weapon was “a long-tenured veteran of law enforcement,” Dustman said. That officer and another two who were at the scene are on administrative leave.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article295483354.html

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[–] NeuronautML@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

US police's laughable incompetence is usually hilarious entertainment us outside of the US, but this one is incredibly tragic and heartbreaking.

This is ridiculous for any country, let alone the top economy in the world. They're like toddlers with guys. Even veterans conduct themselves in an amateur and grossly negligent way. There is honestly no way to shame the US police uniform to the entire world more than it already has been, though.

[–] stormeuh@lemmy.world 17 points 4 hours ago

The passive voice writing in this article is as usual playing defense for the police.

Independence police’s response to that 911 call ended with the shooting death of Pike, 34, and her two month old daughter, Destinii Hope. Let me rephrase this in a less passive way. The response to that 911 call from the independence police officer ended with him shooting Pike, 34 and her two month old daughter, Destinii Hope, to death.

I'm not implying this specific author or newspaper are writing in this style out of malice. I think this is part of a problem with the culture in journalism, because most articles on police violence are written this way.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 2 points 2 hours ago

*Looks at Russian police*

Well, it only breaks legs and beats pregnant. There is a room for worsement.

[–] bali10050@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

I tought this was on the onion

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The USA never heard of tasers?

I mean you shouldn't tase everyone but at least if you shoot someone with it at least they are taken out of the equation with a high chance of survival.

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I don't want to defend the police here. It seems like they're more than capable of defending themselves against toddlers and innocent people sleeping in their homes.

What I will say though is on the efficiency of tasers. They're grrrreat, if you get skin contact with both electrodes, on the first try. But both prongs must hit, pierce the clothing, and get skin contact. Reloading the taser, or switching to the side arm, can take too long. There's a lot of myths about what will stop a taser, and I guess that some of the myths are affecting cops in their choice of force method.

But going for the gun on a disturbance call about a woman with a baby and the baby's grandmother? And shooting the baby? What, as the baby identified as an armed and dangerous fugitive?

[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

New form of jury nullification: "We, the jury, want to sentence this bastard cop to the death penalty even though the spineless prosecutor is not asking for it."

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 17 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I swear, cops will shoot anything that moves, and then anything that doesn't, and then anything else.

[–] wurstgulasch3000@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

And then fire blindly at nothing at all (see the acorn incident)

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 17 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I see some nasty comments on here. So I will add mine adjusted to the popo. The popo are basically criminal goons contracted by the city to ruin brown and black people's lives. Every single day there's gotta be some but of news where they end one of our brothers or sisters lives. Why do we let them do that to us?

Sure there are bad people who need to be in jail. Trump for example. But only the regular folks like you and I get to go to jail. Only our lives can be ruined. Touch the glass ceiling for long enough and you get to be slammed teeth first into the pavement for a supposed traffic violation which ended up with some baggies full of funny powder. Those fucking assholes are everywhere. It's time to abolish the police and instead enforce some sort of social help.

[–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 3 points 1 hour ago

My husband is brown, and had a cop intentionally try to antagonize him into responding emotionally so the cop could violently arrest him.

Used aggressive language, threats to bring him to the station, veiled threats alluding to a guy who had been paralyzed and left in a coma by police the week before. It was sick and fucked up. It left my husband literally shaking afterwards. I've never seen him scared like that. I hate that cop with every fiber of my being. My husband is a gentle, kind, and loving person just trying to get his car fixed.

His offense that got him pulled over? Going to the mechanic to get his car fixed so it would pass emissions and we could update the registration.

To folks reading this, cops will absolutely try to antagonize you and escalate the situation. Don't let them. It gives them every excuse to shoot you and get away with it.

Cops can go fuck themselves to death.

[–] kaugman@lemmy.today -4 points 2 hours ago

Are we expected to see Soros-funded riots again? Will CHAZ/CHOP pop-up in Seattle again?

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 11 points 7 hours ago

The ONLY way this could have been Prevented was if that BABY Had a Gun and shot FIRST! But of Course if you Shoot a Cop you Deserve Death so there's LITERALLY NO WAY for this 2 Month Old Baby to have ended up Alive (In America!)!

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 34 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

No shit she reached for a knife. She had every right to stab that officer to death after he blew her baby's brains out right in front of her.

[–] RidderSport@feddit.org 9 points 5 hours ago

Yeah, if this were a criminal case in my country it would look like this: murder(+?)/manslaughter on the child (+) no justification, not in the line of duty (+), ergo (+); manslaughter mother (+), justification? Self-defense? Mother herself justified? No imminent attack, child OS already dead, but her attack excused. Self defense possible for the officer, but self-defense provocation at least carelessly, most likely on purpose = heavy reduction of self-defense measures to basically just evasion and restraining, using the firearm in excess of that = not justifiable; possible excuse excess of violence for self-defense, caused the situation and escalated it beyond anything reasonable, better trained and armed, not excusable = manslaughter on the mother (+)

This would likely get you life in prison (so earliest parol after 15 years) here. And I doubt this would be something any officer or DA would dare to burn their hands over to cover up, as they would be held accountable for that coverup or meddling and go to prison themselves

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Your comment has the order confused. The cop fired because she was reaching for the knife.

[–] freddydunningkruger@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Well look at you, licking police boots hoping you get permission to go all the way up the thigh!

Coombs and other family members say that Destinii was lying on her mother’s chest when a police bullet hit her in the head. Destinii’s mother also died, from a second bullet family members say came from the same officer.

Meanwhile, in the two weeks since the shooting, Independence police have refused to give any details about the shooting. But hey, you keep licking those boots nice and clean.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 16 points 8 hours ago

Let's have a round of applause for the "good" guy with the gun.

Oh wait, ACAB. Especially this one. Can't wait till we collectively forget about it so the PIIT crew (or whatever they call themselves, I'm not going back) can clean up by sweeping it all under the rug.

[–] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 72 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

My dad used to use this technique to settle disputes: "if you are gonna fight over it, neither of you can have it!"

Though I don't recall him ever shooting a baby in the face so maybe these cops need more training.

Or some fucking lead to their own foreheads.

Is that too far? No. No I don't think it is.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Sounds like the Solomon method, except they went throught with it.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Solomon method left you with more baby too.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Spatchcock baby cooks faster and more evenly.

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[–] MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 104 points 17 hours ago

The officer who fired his weapon was “a long-tenured veteran of law enforcement,” Dustman said.

So who else has he murdered in cold blood?

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 166 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

"On administrative leave", Jesus fucking christ, fire and prosecute those fuck heads. This is well beyond gross negligence.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 116 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Sentencing guidelines should automatically double sentences for law enforcement and government officials, regardless of the crime.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 0 points 2 hours ago

Medvedev, is that you?

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 49 points 16 hours ago
[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 63 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

"Wrongful Death Offender List" should be a thing.

And it should be run by citizens.

[–] Skates@feddit.nl 1 points 2 hours ago

And should end with righteous death, perpetrated on the people on the list.

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 15 points 16 hours ago

No, no. We'll just give him a paid vacation.

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[–] satanmat@lemmy.world 134 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

Greenfield believes police could have used different methods to de-escalate the situation.

No effing shit Sherlock

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[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 128 points 20 hours ago (13 children)
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[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 25 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

this ‘news’ site is trash, fucking constant text disruptive ads

fuck this garbage, 5min and had to re focus text like every 30 seconds

[–] HappyTimeHarry@lemm.ee 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Vivaldi has a built in adblock even on iOS and it works great. Dont just settle for getting blasted with ads because your stuck with apple.

[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I’ll give it a try. I like vivaldi as my ‘chrome’ browser on pc

thx that worked pretty well, much better than the last built in browser ad block i used on ios

has google set its eyes on fucking with this block yet?

[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 points 5 hours ago

thx, i ended up just reading it on pc

sad story

[–] FuCensorship@lemmy.today 22 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

The Internet nowadays without an ad-blocker is an absolute cancer.

I'm not sure if you're on a PC or mobile but check uBlock Origin for Firefox(PC & mobile) or AdAway for Android on F-droid.

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