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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 125 points 3 months ago (2 children)

This happened two years ago. They needed to win with a 60 vote margin. It didn’t pass.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/house-insulin-prices/

[–] Dempf@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The bill didn't need to pass with a 60 vote margin. The House is simple majority, and it passed the house. It's a little murky to me what happened next, but it seems like the Democrats were arguing that it could be treated as budget reconciliation in the Senate, only needing simple majority. However, the parliamentarian said it's not budget reconciliation, and so it would have needed 60 votes total in the Senate to get past the filibuster, which it didn't have.

Then, strangely, the Senate amended the entire title and text of the bill and turned it into a general appropriations bill, which passed both houses and became law, but with the entire original text of the bill struck.

Maybe someone a little more familiar than me with the machinations of government can fill in some of the gaps of what exactly happened and why. My point is, you're right that it didn't pass, but neither house of Congress requires a 60 vote margin. The Senate requires 60 votes total for a bill to be filibuster proof.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 9 points 3 months ago

The Senate has a de facto requirement for a 60 vote margin because Republicans will, without fail, use the filibuster to block any bill that doesn't sufficiently own the libs. (I was gonna say any bill they don't like, but they'll even block their own bills if Democrats decide to support it.)

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[–] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 115 points 3 months ago (4 children)

"This is corruption"

"This is lobbying"

No, it's FUCKING EVIL

Those people are evil enough to put money ahead of the health of other humans

And if you stand by and watch people doing evil things and just say "Well, it's lobbying" you're a wretched coward

[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 months ago

It's all of the above, comrade

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[–] Timii@biglemmowski.win 83 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Republicans Republicans is triggering my paranoia and OCD

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 28 points 3 months ago (5 children)

It's like one of those things that goes:

I bet that you're not reading this very carefully. You almost certainly won't even notice the the mistake in it at first.

Except they fucked up where to put the line break

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

That's called chunking. Basically, you don't read every word in a sentence you just process units, or chunks, that you are familiar with, in this case "the mistake". The first the is in a different chunk than the one right next to "mistake" and since that chunk is not restricting or altering proper resolution (based on your expectation), it gets scrapped at the end of processing the text.

Another culminating factor that makes it hard to spot the duplicate has something to do with eyesight. Essentially, our eyes have 2 modi: fixation and sacchades. Fixation is the standard modus and the optical nerve sends the stimuli to the brain uninterruptedly. Since the duplicates are at the end and the beginning of the next line, you have to move your eyes a longer distance to keep reading; you are performing a so-called sacchade. In order to prevent blurry sight and nausea stemming thereof when you move your eyes to another focal point (same principle like a blurry image from moving a camera while taking a picture), the optical nerve stops sending pictures to the brain during the movement. Upon reaching your new focal point, the brain backfills your memory of the travel time with the first picture it receives from the new position. This masking is called chronostasis because a very noticeable occurrence of this is that the time seems to stop for a brief moment when looking at a clock and the first second feels way longer than the following ones.

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[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 63 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Republicans

"The government shouldn't control anything"

"The government needs to ban abortion people tho"

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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 56 points 3 months ago (12 children)

In terms of the world's wealth, if you own a million dollars US or more - you're one of the top 1%, richest people on the planet.

This means ALL of the people in Congress and the Senate are in the top 1%, or being very close to it.

America is ruled by a wealthy ruling class.

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

America is ruled by a wealthy ruling class.

Always has been.

[–] droans@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Huh, I was going to comment something about how the global top 1% has a lower threshold than that, but it really doesn't. $1M of wealth would put you in the top 0.7%.

And apparently the top 0.7% hold 45.9% of global wealth. The top 30% hold 97% of wealth.

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[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 43 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Republicans are the fucking worst, prove me wrong

[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They want everyone poor and pregnant

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Vance says, "how can you trust people without kids. They aren't invested in americas future."

Mother fucker, my dad will vote for that ticket and I'm telling you he does not give a shit about me or america.

I have to live here with all you evil assholes. Why would I want to bring a kid into this?

[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 21 points 3 months ago

We have sitting members of Congress who raped and sex trafficked children. The Supreme Court is bought and paid for.

America is no longer viewed as a respectable nation, just a big bully corporate oligarchy infiltrated by Russian money.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Repubs convincing working-class people that they're on their side is the biggest con of my lifetime. I don't know how they managed that, but it's insanely wrong. Wait, now I remember. It's all about hating the same people. That's all that matters.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago

I'm a school bus driver and we're unionized (Teamsters) yet most of my co-workers are Trump supporters. We even have a few lesbians and they're still trumpers. You're right: the one thing they have in common is that they all really hate black people.

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

I'm going to vote for the party that actively seems to want me and my family to suffer, because that's what mAkEs 'MuRiCa GrAtE aGiN!

Or,

I'm going to not vote and let in the party that actively seems to want me and my family to suffer, because... bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe... LoL?

Two flip sides of the same political weak minds, both subjugated by abusive right-wing propaganda.

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[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 months ago

It's an older story but it's important to bring up though because there's a lot of "Do nothing democrat" BS that's coming up repeatedly.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I can already hear the arguments ringing in my head. This is a matter that is near and dear to my heart. As a disclaimer, I'm Canadian, if the USA doesn't want cheap insulin, I can't really do anything to stop that.

With all that being said, I have a family member who is a type 1 diabetic. I have experienced the following, ignorant, argument from enough people that I'm pretty sure those that voted against this, at least in part, believe. Diabetes is a self inflicted condition that you can cure with proper diet and exercise. While that argument could be true for some portion of type 2 diabetes, it is wholly untrue for T1D. I won't speculate on how many people are in that scenario with type 2, so I'll focus on my main argument.

Type 1 diabetes, sometimes also referred to as juvenile diabetes, isn't exclusive to young people. It's diagnosed young, which gives it the "juvenile" title. Type 2 is generally a problem that comes with age (and sometimes obesity), so it's referred to as "adult" diabetes. I'll point out these "titles" only apply to when you are likely to be diagnosed with it and have nothing to do with how long you'll have it. Type 1 is typically caused by the pancreas being unable to function. Sometimes there's a little function, but in general, it's an issue with the pancreas itself, which will not heal. The cause of the dysfunction is varied and not relevant to the point, but genetics, disease, injury, etc, can all play a role in it. The fact is, the pancreas does not, and will never, operate correctly. For a T1D, the only "diet" that can keep their condition in check is essentially starvation, resulting in death, which would arguably cure the disease. You can't be unwell if you're dead.

People with T1D didn't ask for it, they didn't do anything that gave them the condition. They can't do anything that relieves the condition. They are obligated to take insulin, or die. Shit choice if you ask me. Forcing diabetics to essentially pay to live is cruel, at the same time, producing a medical/pharmaceutical grade substance costs money and someone has to pay for it. Limiting the cost of insulin to a reasonable amount that can adequately cover the costs of production is the compromise. So those who are unemployed and/or underpaid can still afford to live.

Insulin for type 2 diabetics, which usually comes as a pill, whereas type 1 generally needs an injection, can be the exception if you're hellbent on "punishing" those that "do it to themselves", but even for that, you'll get an argument from me. There's a gap in knowledge for what is proper nutrition, and how to take care of yourself in such a way that you won't end up obese. Many people who can take care of themselves, learned these traits at home. A nontrivial amount of the population didn't get this same education and think that fast food is good food, or at least adequate; or that frozen is a good alternative to fresh, since fresh doesn't really keep very long, which can be true for some things, but I assure you that buying a 1KG frozen lasagna that feeds 4, isn't a good, singular meal for one person.

I'm not here to lecture anyone on diet and nutrition, I'm only trying to point out that the misconceptions about what is good or healthy for you to eat, are very common. The education system hasn't done anything to fix this. Not really. I was taught the food pyramid, which, I believe, at the time, it was not considered a good guide on nutrition, at the very least. It's basically speculation from the 70s that's essentially pseudo science. Learning and having good nutrition is kind of a joke at this point, at least when it comes to public education. Add that to the fact that almost everything that's made is laced, injected, or otherwise coated in sugars, and you get a recipe for obesity and eventually type 2 diabetes. I'm certain a nontrivial number of type 2 diabetics didn't learn about proper nutrition until they became diabetic. At that point, changing your eating habits for the better, isn't an easy task.

So, I would argue that for many type 2 sufferers, they're simply a product of a system (that we designed) which failed them. They were not taught, nor given the required knowledge to adequately avoid contracting the disorder.

IMO, anyone against a cap on insulin is either poorly informed, or cruel. If you know how and why both types of diabetes exists, then you're cruel if you don't want a cap on the prices. If you don't, you need education to learn about it and why, for many, it's not really a choice.

I'll add the disclaimer that I'm sure there are those out there that are type 2 diabetics who knew all along and essentially did it to themselves. I will only say this about it: there's no reasonable way to have them monetarily pay for their choices, without significantly and negatively impacting those who did not have a choice in the matter.

[–] RidderSport@feddit.org 11 points 3 months ago (5 children)

And even to those that did it to themselves. Why would you want to financially ruin or straight up killing people for making mistakes? That,is simply sadistic and very much unchristian of the so outspoken Christians of the GOP

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[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Both sides suck, but at least the Democrats don't want to turn America into an ultra-capitalist evangelical dictatorship and a white ethnostate.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Gotta preserve those family values of inter-generational diabetes and related diseases

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago

It builds character!

[–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 16 points 3 months ago

Anyone saying both sides is a clown.

[–] Jeanschyso@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Ok but who are those 11 that voted correctly?

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 22 points 3 months ago

Probably some of ones with diabetes or a family member who has diabetes since Republicans only care about things that affect them personally.

[–] Eiim@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 months ago

Apparently it ended up being 12. You can look them up here:

  • Don Bacon, Nebraska
  • Brian Fitzpatrick, Pennsylvania
  • Andy Harris, Maryland
  • Jaime Herrula Beutler, Washington
  • Richard Hudson, North Carolina
  • John Kakto, New York
  • Nicole Malliotakis, New York
  • Daniel Meuser, Pennsylvania
  • Mariannette Miller-Meeks, Iowa
  • Bill Posey, Florida
  • Christopher H. Smith, New Jersey
  • Frederick Stephen Upton, Michigan
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