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[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 128 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Decisions are made by those who show up. It’s as simple as that. It really is the very least you SHOULD do as a functional adult.

I get how not everyone wants to be active on campaigns, can donate, etc. But voting itself should definitely be a given. Same goes for small elections; if you don’t vote, someone else will decide for you. And you might not like what they decide.

Show the fuck up and vote.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

I prefer "Pokemon Go To The Polls", myself.

Either way, I'm not sure where OP's "40 Million Registered Democrats" are coming from. Obama set a high water mark for Dem turnout in 2008 with 69M votes and still managed to carry out a win four years later with 65.9M votes. Hillary pulled in 65.8M votes four years after that. She just racked them in the wrong states this time around and lost to a guy who hit his own GOP high watermark of 62.9M.

Then, in 2020, the country implemented a temporary state of national mail-in voting. Turnout surged enormously. Republicans brought in 74M votes! Enough to win in a landslide in virtually any other year. But still not enough to beat the Dem 81M vote haul. An absolutely historic turnout by either party, all thanks to a change in the mechanism used to submit ballots.

But even using these very temporary figures, I have no idea where you're finding a full 105.8M Democrats to vote for your candidate, relative to 2016. Set aside how much our antiquated and archaic machine-voting system suppresses turnout. Set aside the deliberate disenfranchisement by determined State Secretaries in democracy-hostile states and districts. Set aside voter disenfranchisement and intimidation, misinformation and scammy robocalls. Tell me which rock these 40M Democrats are hiding under.

And when you do, make sure there's not another 40M Republicans hiding right alongside them. Because we played this game in Texas for nearly a decade. And what we discovered was a large surplus of lackadaisical conservatives, who came out to swamp the state in 2022. So much for simply being a "non-voting" state.

Never even fucking mind all the "Obama to Trump" voters who showed up in 2016 absolutely revolted by the ghoul Democrats put up as Obama's replacement.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I've shown up every year since 2000 and other people keep making the decisions anyway because the people I vote for lose so goddamn always.

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[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (9 children)

My friends and a lot of my coworkers I were Bernie supporters in 2016 -- donated, attended events, etc. I made sure I was registered to vote and strongly encouraged my friends to as well. Talking to them after the primary was depressing as fuck ... most of them didn't vote, and had the lamest excuses you could imagine. It was eye opening.

Alright: whatever. Great work guys, now we get to vote for Hillary, since it was going to be either her or Trump as president. Shockingly almost none of the aforementioned friends/coworkers voted for her, and several that admitted they couldn't get off their asses to vote for him in the primary complained about how it was "stolen" from Bernie.

It was hard not slapping the shit out of them.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 72 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Good thing the party learn d their lesson and stopped running uncharismatic elderly moderates with terrible approval ratings...

Right?

[–] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How the fuck did they go from Obama to Hillary to this?

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They didn't, they TRIED to run Hillary in 2008. Obama was the party outsider who won by a tiny margin.

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[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 months ago (22 children)

The only people who dont vote for the least bad option are the people who have the luxary not to.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 8 points 4 months ago (16 children)

We gotta get us some Approval Voting so people can vote for their true favorite without worrying if it'll accidentally give them a worse election result.

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 64 points 4 months ago

That’s not even counting unaffiliated and registered independent citizens that abstained.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 47 points 4 months ago (2 children)

"Hillary is the best choice, she's guaranteed to win!" - the democratic party in 2016.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

She was never the best choice of the Democrats available, but you must admit we had no idea how goddamned stupid people were back then. She should have won. Turns out, yeah, russia was listening.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't know who down voted you? They have proven several times that Trump's inner circle was with Russian businesses that controlled advertising on Facebook. It's not that far of a stretch.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (16 children)

They probably worked harder than they had to. She really is an unlikable piece of shit.

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[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 months ago

Al Gore should have won too, but here we are.

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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How many of those were in the 5-6 states where their vote actually matters? Cuz I'm in a state thats been hard blue since like, Reagan.

We don't have a true popular vote. If we did we'd never have a Republican president again.

[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I live in Utah. The difference in numbers in Utah is crazy. If everyone registered as other than Republican voted for Biden and just registered Republicans voted for Trump, Trump would still win by around 10%. Registered Democrats are outnumbered 2:1 by unaffiliated and 4:1 by Republicans.

In fact, "Unaffiliated" is the second largest group of active voters in Utah.

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[–] BaldManGoomba@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Hillary Clinton is our best candidate let's convince the whole primary field to drop out because the democrat donors want Hillary and it's her turn. Said the democratic party.

Also my vote in Delaware didn't lose her the election. We have popular vote on a state by state basis. Can't blame 95% of the democrats or independents that didn't vote for her. They should be polling in the areas that will decide the election. I think the stat was 20,000 or so votes in the middle of the country decided it.

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[–] voldage@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'm proud I didn't vote Blue in 2016 and 2020. I'm not from the USA so it would be a voter fraud if I did.

That being said, dems are completely incompetent when it comes to elections, deliberately picking such terrible candidates like Hillary and Biden. I don't believe there are actual people that voted Blue because of seeded candidate and not despite it.

[–] sparkle@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not to excuse the Democratic Party, but I would argue that it's inevitable that they choose shit candidates for the presidency when we consider how much indoctrination Americans get over their capitalism/corporatism and how they justify and normalize the shit America did and the status quo, while omitting a lot of the important progressive historical events or (in the case of figures like MLK and Gandhi, or context behind Iran/Latin America/Israel&Palestine) don't tell the full story. Like most Americans aren't going to learn that the US denied millions of Jews, Roma, and other groups being displaced entry into the country right before the holocaust, leading to the deaths of millions. You also won't learn that the US installed multiple fascist dictators, monarchs, etc. in countries after overthrowing democratic governments to serve corporate intrests or over their fear of leftist leaders. At best you might briefly touch on the wars with Iraq in government class or something.

Then you're basically indoctrinated by history classes and society that anything left of American corporatism is communism. To the point that modern conservatives genuinely think FDR policies are extreme socialist/communist policies.

With our current voting system, an actually social democratic president would not get elected. FDR, Truman, Johnson, and Carter were the closest we could get in that regard, but those days are long gone.

That being said, I do think a lot of people genuinely voted for Hillary because of her and not solely because of Trump. Especially women and LGBTQ who wanted like... more gender equality. I think more accurately would be that there are very few white guys who voted for Hillary for any reason other than Trump being worse.

[–] voldage@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

I agree with most of your points except with one about socialists being unelectable - I believe that Bernie would have moped the floor with Trump in 2016, and even more so in 2020. First woman president had a nice ring to it, but Hillary performed terribly, and with her being basicially an aristocrat of the establishment, lots of people hated her from the get go. They shanked Bernie so their corporate overlord donors wouldn't get pissy, and voters treated that as betrayal. After very solid 8 years of Obama it get like Dems had this victory in their pocket regardless of what they do, and they commited to proving that hunch wrong. That's at least the vibes I got from watching the elections from Europe, I did hear that Obama wasn't as popular as he seemed to be.

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[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Bit of a tangential point: Every vote counts but not every vote counts the same. Voters in California get less of a say than voters in Maine.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I will never take a single vote for granted considering how many elections in very recent history were literally decided by a single vote.

It's even important to vote in states and districts that are deep red/blue where the minority party is statistically unlikely to win, because if you don't show up the numbers will never reflect the true demographic of people who want a change. Not to mention the arguably more important down ballot races for local elections. Change on a macro scale might be difficult, but change on a local level is very possible.

The way I look at it is yeah your one vote doesn't count for much, but consider this; if you can convince 5 friends to join you in voting for the same candidate, that's 6 more votes that the opposition will also need to scrounge up just to win by the same margin as if you did not vote at all. That's not insignificant. Using your right to vote can swing the social dialogue more towards compromise in future elections if enough people turn out.

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[–] Verserk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

People forget downballot races end in single and double digit gaps way too often.

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[–] fahfahfahfah@lemmy.billiam.net 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

How many of the 40 million votes were in locked-in blue states?

Edit: this was an honest question, not some kind of gotcha

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[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure at least one of them was like "Ah shit, fuck, that was today???? I thought it was Tuesday today, god fucking damnit"

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