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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by Five to c/coolguides@lemmy.ca
 

Based on the 2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

Via a former conservative on Reddit:

  • The government won’t allow you to get an abortion even if giving birth would kill you (p.449 - 503)
  • The government won’t let you buy condoms or plan b (p.449)
  • The government will give more free money to the ultra-rich and the largest corporations (p.691)
  • The government will not allow for workers to be protected at work (p.581)
  • The government will steal your social security (p.691)
  • The government will take away Medicare (p.449)
  • The government will not let you find affordable healthcare (p.449)
  • The government will refuse to help educate our children (p.319)
  • The government will give your tax money to private schools for christians (p.319)
  • The government will force public schools to become religious schools for christians (p.319)
  • The government will fire you for the color of your skin (p545 - 581)
  • The government will tell you what you’re allowed to think (p319)
  • The government will sell our land to be permanently destroyed (p417)
  • The government will sell the arctic to oil companies (p363)
  • Big business and oil will be allowed to do whatever they want without consequences (p.363)
  • The government will tell you what a family is supposed to look like. Anything else is a crime. (p.545 - 581)
  • The government will make us deaf/blind to attack by destroying the FBI and Homeland Security (p.133)
  • The government will build concentration camps to get rid of anyone deemed un-American (p.133)
  • If you’re born in the United States you are not automatically a citizen (p.133)
  • The government will make it legal for food to be poison (p.363 - 417)

Claims without a citation yet:

  • The government will not let you get a divorce without “proof” of wrongdoing
  • Your taxes will go up
  • The government will not let you retire
  • Drugs will cost more
  • The government will let your kids go hungry while they are forced to attend these schools
  • The government will tell you what you’re allowed to read and burn the rest
  • The government will freely kill citizens they disagree with
  • The government will attack single mothers because that’s not a “traditional” family
  • The government will order our active-duty military to attack us if we protest
  • The government will make being muslim on American soil a crime
  • The government will make sure all judges are more loyal to the party than they are to the country
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[–] nifty@lemmy.world 45 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Another way to look at this plan is: how to create an unstable and globally uncompetitive workforce.

America will become a shithole country where no one will want to live or work. The rich will send their children to study and work elsewhere.

When America is inhospitable to everyone except to multi-millionaires or billionaires (who live elsewhere rn anyways, btw as they have multiple nationalities and passports), the rest of the upper class will jump ship to other countries, where they will always get to enjoy the progressive policies and culture they deprive others of.

Remember: if the daughter of a rich person will get pregnant, she will have access to abortion

If the children of the rich want to have sex, they will have contraception

The rich will choose to live in countries with Medicare and other social programs

The rich will always have access to rights, and would straight up be able to “buy justice”, like in countries like India, Pakistan, Mexico, Brazil etc

The rich will always be able to afford clean water and air

Project 2025 isn’t about race or lgbt or “fambily vablues” as the mealy mouthed hypocrites would have you believe. It’s straight class warfare.

All Americans are a target of the class warfare, regardless of their socioeconomic status. Even the rich are worse off because they get to enjoy the judicial process here in America, as opposed to getting robbed by the state as in Russia or China.

In short, project 2025 is a dumb cunt plan of no foresight or insight, and definitely not written by anyone who has goodwill towards Americans or any patriotism

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But you're not thinking about the short term gains for the 1%!

[–] roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I honestly don't even think the people who came up with this are thinking about that. Like nifty said, these policies will create a brain drain that will be bad for the U.S. economy, including the assets of the rich.

This is just some christofacist shit. I don't think they gave a thought to anything else.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Do you honestly think a significant amount of skilled workers will leave America? Do you think other countries would take us?

Like, I get it. I've humored moving to Canada, but it ain't easy to just up and leave everything. Especially when most people can barely achieve $5k in savings.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 4 points 4 months ago

If this shit goes ahead you're about to get a whole new insider perspective on refugees, son.

[–] roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I apologize in advance for sounding like a dick here, reducing people to dollars and cents. But that's how the people we're discussing see us.

It's not the ones who don't have 5k and/or marketable skills that would harm the economy by leaving. If you've got something to offer and a company to sponsor you immigration is relatively easy. I've spent part of my career working in other countries, and I've known many others that have as well. What we have in common is we're all educated professionals with lots of disposable income. We would harm the economy if we left in larger numbers and stayed away en masse. Although some stay, for the most part we come home. It's nice to go home. If it's not nice to come home, we'll take our education and skills and stay somewhere that is nice. That's why it's called a brain drain and not a ditchdigger drain.

And then there are refugees. Countries don't take refugees because they want them. They do it because it would be inhumane to not at least have a process, even if many countries make the process as onerous as they can.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

As we see in the news the move toward the far right is a global phenomenon not just a US thing. Jumping ship is difficult already and there will be fewer desirable countries to go to, as various countries are infected with varying levels of far right. Most Americans don’t understand that you cant just pack up and move to another country. Socially progressive countries have difficult and lengthy immigration processes, and caps. Only the very rich and the lucky few will have that agency annually. Other countries wont be entertaining 10s of thousands of potential American immigrants. If project 2025 is what the younger generations see fit to vote into power then they can reap what they sow.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Far right is on decline in countries with progressive policies, like the Nordic model

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/06/10/european-elections-far-right-on-the-decline-in-nordic-countries_6674410_4.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

And it also got the boot out the fucking door in worst defeat in history in the UK recently

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/uk-general-election-results-2024-intl/index.html

People who live under far right policies fucking hate them. Ask anyone living in Russia or Brazil

Brazil GDP has gone down since 2010: https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/BRA/brazil/gdp-gross-domestic-product since Lula was voted out

Context about Lula now: https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/30/americas/brazil-election-lula-da-silva-wins-intl/index.html

The far right is a nothing burger w.r.t race and culture, it’s always been about class warfare

Edit: yeah, useful idiots will buy into the racism spiel of these ideologies, but they’re just being fooled by their upper class masters

[–] Chimali@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Only here to add onto the UK thing, a big part of the reason the conservatives lost in the UK is because a new-ish party which leans much further right (the reform party) got decently popular, draining away a large proprtion of the voter base.

While the reform party got the same amount seats in parliament as a left leaning but still small party (green), their share of the vote was much larger. So the UK is not neccesarily sick of the far right, just the tories. Its possible the new government will be effective enough to keep the right at bay, but the current state of the labour party is one of a once centre left party sliding further and further right with their leader's policy on things like the EU and certain marginalised minorities.

My overview is quite biased as i am a left leaning person, and i have ignored things such as the lib dems who gained massive popularity but could've split the left wing vote in turn. Its possible that the lib dems could represent the new left of the UK, or that the combined lib dem and labour vote is what we should consider the left.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Fair point, but so far history has shown such people riding in on a wave of economic misery or promise to resolve economic misery (which they previously created), and then getting the boot. I guess there’s more history to be observed ahead

Oh, and I guess Italy under Meloni: https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/italy-gdp-unexpectedly-shrinks-blow-meloni-2023-07-31/

[–] John_McMurray@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago

Couldn't possibly be related to the policies of the last 25 years in these countries. It's a mystery why people will turn to any change that seems viable.