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just so this doesn't overwhelm our front page too much, i think now's a good time to start consolidating discussions. existing threads will be kept up, but unless a big update comes let's try to keep what's happening in this thread instead of across 10.

developments to this point:

The Verge is on it as usual, also--here's their latest coverage (h/t @dirtmayor@beehaw.org):

other media coverage:

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[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I love how the AMA has 0 points. You down vote it and it comes back to 0. No manipulation there reddit. Just that alone shows what a disgrace that company is.

[–] Skyhighatrist@lemmy.ml 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't think posts on reddit ever actually show less than 0 points no matter how many downvotes they get. Comments do, but posts always bottom out at 0 as far as I know.

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ahhh. What about that ea post? Didn't it have some crazy negative number? Or was that just the comment? Probably the comment

[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

That was a specific comment

[–] uplink@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

On Reddit, comments can show negative scores, but posts will never show a score lower than zero. It used to be possible to determine how negative a post score really was, but that hasn't been possible for some time now.

Edit: I guess that doesn't really answer your question. I read too fast, whoops.

[–] setsneedtofeed@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When the individual up and downvote counts on comments and threads went away, that was a bad sign. Back in the old days you might see a comment with a -100 total score, but you could also see it had 400 upvotes and 500 downvotes, which made it a lot more clear it was a controversial but perhaps not wholly worthless comment. Modern reddit design just shows the final number, which I think capitalizes on internet hivemind behavior.

[–] uplink@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One or more of the Reddit interfaces displays a dagger on comments that are "controversial", notably missing from the official phone app I think. I do miss the individual counts, though.

[–] setsneedtofeed@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

I have (or should say "had") the dagger on Apollo, but it's a downgrade from being able to see the straight numbers. And of course my point being that reddit has continued to obfuscate info, so even though it is on 3rd party they have no problem hiding it from the primary userbase. Just I don't know. Talking about all this kind of wears me out, ya know? I think everybody here is just tired of reddit the machine.

[–] StoicLime@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Oh, it's been such a long time since I've used the official Reddit app that I forgot about this, because you can see the downvotes in other apps.

[–] setsneedtofeed@beehaw.org 24 points 1 year ago

That's been a thing for a long time. Threads can not go into negatives. You can only see the upvote percentage.

You aren't the first person I've seen confused about that, which I think indicates a big problem with reddit's modern design. Back in the old days on every thread and comment you could see both how many up and down votes it got, not just the total number. It was cleaner and more transparent. Over time, reddit has increasingly obfuscated how all the magic numbers work.

[–] Limeade@beehaw.org 16 points 1 year ago

Before they changed what numbers they showed, there were karma farmers that specifically posted dumb stuff to rack up the most negative karma score they could. Over time Reddit has done a fair bit of tweaking of what numbers are shown and setting caps or floors in some places.

This isn't special behavior, all posts have a floor of 0. Only comments can have negative scores.

[–] mortuum@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It doesn't even show up on spez's profile lmfao. Last post says 1 year ago. Definitely no manipulation there.