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Will Shoppers Ever Care About the Destruction of the Planet? Tactics to convince people to buy less aren’t working. A quirky new documentary by Patagonia takes a different approach. (www.nytimes.com)
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[–] Mighty@lemmy.world 67 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Surely it's the shoppers fault. Can't be the fault of a system that rewards companies doing the most evil shit possible

[–] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

False dichotomy, it's all of our fault. We are all perpetuators of the system, some small, some large. Just like with cocaine, placing all the blame on the producers and ignoring the massive demand and the reasons for it isn't how drug problems are solved.

For things to change, we all need to change, if your effect is small because you're just a person, the needed change is small, like buying less and making better choices. If you're a large perpetuator like a company, the needed change is large, up to and including stopping or radically altering operations because they are fundamentally unsustainable (e.g. Exxon).

In a capitalist world, if there's a demand it will be supplied consequences be damned.

[–] Mighty@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

You're right, of course. But people want to be convenient. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. If the most convenient path is one that funds "unseen" human misery and climate catastrophe, that's still gonna be the path a lot of people are gonna take. Especially if it results in the lowest costs. With the majority of people earning little money, the effect is gonna be predictable.

"Demand" is a very sketchy concept. People are gonna want what they can easily get. So the best solution is to penalize the negative production chains and reward the positives.