Anarchism and Social Ecology
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Anarchism
Anarchism is a social and political theory and practice that works for a free society without domination and hierarchy.
Social Ecology
Social Ecology, developed from green anarchism, is the idea that our ecological problems have their ultimate roots in our social problems. This is because the domination of nature and our ecology by humanity has its ultimate roots in the domination humanity by humans. Therefore, the solutions to our ecological problems are found by addressing our social and ecological problems simultaneously.
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Poetry and imagination must be integrated with science and technology, for we have evolved beyond an innocence that can be nourished exclusively by myths and dreams.
~ Murray Bookchin, The Ecology of Freedom
People want to treat ‘we’ll figure it out by working to get there’ as some sort of rhetorical evasion instead of being a fundamental expression of trust in the power of conscious collective effort.
~Anonymous, but quoted by Mariame Kaba, We Do This 'Til We Free Us
The end justifies the means. But what if there never is an end? All we have is means.
~Ursula K. Le Guin, The Lathe of Heaven
The assumption that what currently exists must necessarily exist is the acid that corrodes all visionary thinking.
~Murray Bookchin, "A Politics for the Twenty-First Century"
There can be no separation of the revolutionary process from the revolutionary goal. A society based on self-administration must be achieved by means of self-administration.
~Murray Bookchin, Post Scarcity Anarchism
In modern times humans have become a wolf not only to humans, but to all nature.
The ecological question is fundamentally solved as the system is repressed and a socialist social system develops. That does not mean you cannot do something for the environment right away. On the contrary, it is necessary to combine the fight for the environment with the struggle for a general social revolution...
~Abdullah Öcalan
Social ecology advances a message that calls not only for a society free of hierarchy and hierarchical sensibilities, but for an ethics that places humanity in the natural world as an agent for rendering evolution social and natural fully self-conscious.
~ Murray Bookchin
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So I sometimes see the argument that humans are part of nature so anything we do is inherently natural when someone's arguing that you should be able to do whatever you want and it's all equivalent as long as it makes you happy. Like clearcutting forests and building walmarts or storing leaking barrels of chemical waste on your land is a human instinct and we're helpless to do otherwise.
I'm not saying that's what you believe, but I think this might be a chance for me to understand this worldview better, and maybe get better at talking to those folks.
To me, the fact that humans are part of nature doesn't seem like a gotcha or an out. I think it's a kind of pointless distinction. We're part of nature, yes, but that doesn't mean that producing Per- and Polyfluorinated Substances is natural, and even if you can slap the label 'natural' on it, that still doesn't mean it's a good idea.
We have a capability for reason and an ability to predict outcomes based on past evidence, which reaches way further out than those of other species. Environmentalists have gotten it wrong plenty of times before, but arguing that their efforts are equivalent to drilling for oil in a coral reef because they're both human behaviors seems disingenuous to me.
Most of the time, what ecologists want is for society to stop changing the habitats that are already there. You say "they’re imposing their own vision of what they believe is natural" but I find it really hard to believe you think there's no way to know if keeping a native forest is more 'natural' than building a shopping mall.
On top of that, most of what we're doing as a species is incredibly new and we're changing so much at once, everywhere. We're completely erasing some habitats, rerouting rivers, introducing entirely new materials/chemicals, changing the weather - when beavers change their habitats, it's still a fairly small local change, and the rest of the biosphere has had thousands of years to adapt and even use it, there are lots of other species ready to move into that changed environment. Maybe someday all the remaining species will be adapted to living in the margins around humanity. But we're going to lose a ton of species (and likely a lot of humans to starvation) on the way there.
So I guess I have two questions: Do you believe other species (anything, plant, animals, insect etc) have any intrinsic value? Do other humans have intrinsic value?
If humans have intrinsic value and nonhumans don't, what's the difference?
I’m not trying to justify anyone’s behaviour. My critique is aimed at those who claim they’re acting on behalf of nature. Who appointed them to be the guardians of nature? Who is holding them accountable for it?
It’s the hubris that bothers me.
No: I don’t believe species have intrinsic value. Species are an invented concept: a set of categories we apply arbitrarily to suit ourselves. What we call species appear and disappear all the time.
In the great oxygenation event Cyanobacteria poisoned the entire planet with oxygen, wiping out untold swathes of obligate anaerobic life. That’s a pretty big change! We have yet to match that.