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The War on Gaza is a climate issue (slrpnk.net)
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[–] Excrubulent 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It also incentivises more production, if you believe the supply & demand story.

[–] sonori@beehaw.org 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Surely, by that logic low prices would also drive demand and increased useage?

[–] silence7 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They do. What you actually want is high prices for consumers and low prices for those doing extraction. That's the idea behind a carbon tax or sabotage aimed at the oil and gas midstream.

[–] sonori@beehaw.org 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So you’re saying high prices lead to increased useage over low prices and low prices lead to increased useage over high prices at the same time? Does this mean average prices lead to decreased oil useage?

[–] silence7 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Usage has increased no matter the price for decades. Using pure price mechanisms to globally cut fossil fuel use means splitting consumer prices from wellhead prices.

[–] sonori@beehaw.org 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Useage has increased, but for your first comment to make any sense the war’s effect on prices must have caused an increase over and beyond a world in which it didn’t happen.

[–] silence7 1 points 9 months ago

I don't think the war has any impact on fossil fuel consumption. It changes who turns a profit and where we are in the industry boom and bust cycle, with modest consumption increases happening whether or not it happens