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Oh man. Here we go. Reddit has a huge pro-flossing bias and it's leaking over with all the refuges apparently. This gets me downvoted to absolute oblivion on reddit and likely will here as well, but I just want to remind everyone this is all anectodotal information. There's not strong evidence that you really need to floss, so don't let these flossers guilt you if it's not your thing. I'm maybe a bit of an anti-dentite I guess, but buzz feed did a nice article on this and many sources also picked up the ap newsfeed on the lack of scientific data for this commonly pushed practice :
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ishmaeldaro/this-is-our-watergate
Well, sorry to be the person you're dreading, but I'm going to jump in with some "pro-flossing bias" since the bias is for a good reason. This Buzzfeed article bases their argument on one AP study. If you try to click the link to the AP study in the article you linked, you'll see it has been taken down, since AP themselves have renounced it and stated that "all the studies were over too short of a time and have not enough participants."
Here's a NYT article that explains how this misinformation is based on a lot of flawed research. From the article:
I also found this counter argument that states that the poorly done study also only tracked caries (cavities) and didn't take into consideration other things, such as gum inflammation. Here's yet another counter argument with this quote:
Don't your gums bleed? Isn't your breath bad? It's pretty clear that if you floss regularly, your gums are less inflamed. I know flossing isn't fun, but there's rotting food between your teeth, it smells bad and it's doing damage. It's pretty clear that your gums stop bleeding and your breath improves if you floss regularly.
Even Buzzfeed (which isn't really a good place to get health advice btw) has articles contradicting the post you linked. It's just clickbait. Please floss your teeth.
I read that as "there isn't good quality evidence" not as "flossing doesn't work".
If you have plaque on your teeth that doesn't get removed it turns into tartar/calculus. If it's between your teeth, over time that can lead to retreating gum and exposed dental necks. It's of course also something promoting tooth decay.
Removing this plaque with a tooth brush can be difficult to impossible depending on how your teeth are laid out. Floss can be helpful to remove it.
Are you saying this isn't true?
I'm saying people should be aware there isn't evidence that flossing is all that beneficial for cavity protection. Therefore recommendations to do it are speculative and anectodotal. A lot of people assume it's a scientific fact like recommending people stop smoking or losing weight, but it's not even close to those.
The article states there's no research for it. Doesn't mean it doesn't work. But of course it also doesn't mean it actually works. Everyone may do with that what they will. But it's hard to argue the logic that flossing helps. You can leave bits of food in your gums for bacteria to eat and produce byproducts that degrade your enamel. Or you can remove that food.
But the fact is that there isn't much research is indeed a valid concern, especially when the health/science community tries to say something is good or bad. They need to prove it.
This does run counter to my own experience. Flossing definitely does remove old food and plaque from in between my teeth, I can see it. Are you saying removing this has no effect on dental hygiene?
In addition, I had a dentist appointment this week and they said some of my gums were slightly receding, and that if I floss there more regularly it will help the gums. I'm going to floss daily and see if there is any improvement at my next checkup in six months.
Is there a remind bot on lemmy?
FWIW I had the same problem (receding gums) and improving my flossing even a little has helped.
There is!
@remindme@mstdn.social 6 months
@NekoRogue @Gigan (dev here) we currently don't support creating reminders that last for months, though it's something that we may add soon!
Thank you, that explains why it didn't work! Is it the phrasing or the amount of time? Like if I was to write 180 days instead of 6 months, would it work?
@NekoRogue (dev here) 😄 yes it would work
@NekoRogue Here is your reminder!
@NekoRogue Ok, I will remind you on Tuesday Jan 2, 2024 at 9:50 AM PST.
How did the dentist appointment go, Gigan?
Its next Tuesday, I'll let you know
I know I am way too invested in this, but at this point I really want to know the results. How'd it go?
Inconclusive. Dentist said everything looked fine, but they didn't measure my gums with the tiny ruler like they did last time.
All right let's do a little adjusting here then
@remindme@mstdn.social 7 days
@NekoRogue Ok, I will remind you on Wednesday Jan 10, 2024 at 6:21 AM PST.
@NekoRogue Here is your reminder!
Honestly man you can believe whatever you choose to. I’m not here to argue with anyone.
I’m in my 30s and went from having bad gingivitis with bleeding and pain during brushing, to having gums that are comfortable with being thoroughly physically cleaned every day and that makes me happy.
TIL there's a conspiracy about this. Fascinating.