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    submitted 10 months ago by SchrodingersPat@lemmy.ml to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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    [–] zephr_c@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    For new Linux users choosing a distro IS choosing a desktop environment. Installing a new DE that's different from the default is not a day one Linux task, so the default for the distro is what matters. Yes. the DE is the most important factor in choosing a distro, but saying that means the distro doesn't matter is just fundamentally incorrect and unhelpful.

    [–] Caboose12000@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

    I don't thibk op intended to imply that new users instal a new DE on whatever distro they choose, but rather it's clunky to explain that they should prioritize DE when choosing distro. like, imagine a new users asks what distro they should start with, I believe op is advocating we say "anything that uses KDE by default" (or gnome or xfce etc). plenty of distros have derivatives that are basically the same but use a different DE, so it's pointless to suggest one over the other when a new user is just going to use the DE to do everything graphically anyway.

    [–] zephr_c@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

    That'd be nice and all, but they still have to pick a distro. You can't just install KDE without a distro. A good KDE implementation just becomes one of their considerations. If you don't suggest one over another they'll probably just stick with Windows due to analysis paralysis.

    [–] iopq@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    Really? On my distro it's

    services.xserver.enable = true;
services.xserver.displayManager.sddm.enable = true;
#enable KDE
services.xserver.desktopManager.plasma5.enable = true;

    And you can just comment out the gnome line

    [–] rikudou@lemmings.world 3 points 10 months ago

    You can get even more fancy and have a boot option for both with specialisations!

    specialisation.KDE.configuration = {
    services.xserver.displayManager.lightdm.enable = false;
    services.xserver.desktopManager.cinnamon.enable = false;

    services.xserver.displayManager.sddm.enable = true;
    services.xserver.desktopManager.plasma5.enable = true;
  };

    But let's not pretend NixOS is in any way beginner friendly.

    [–] zephr_c@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

    1, that's not something a day one Linux user would understand, and you shouldn't encourage people to use commands they don't understand.

    2, I guess you're arguing that distro is important, so thanks for agreeing with me.

    [–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

    It literally says enable plasma 5, how is that hard to understand?

    [–] zephr_c@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

    On Ubuntu it's just sudo apt install kde-plasma-desktop. I guess that means you think it's even easier there and everyone understands all the implications of that and nothing could possibly go wrong?

    [–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

    There are no implications to installing anything in NixOS because you can go back to a previous state at any point.

    Running the software might change your settings, but can't really do anything about that since that's the software author's choice and it's in your home folder

    [–] zephr_c@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago

    Look, I understand how NixOS works. It has nothing to do with anything I've been trying to say though. I'm trying to have a conversation, and you keep derailing it with you NixOS sales pitch. What do you even want from me? Fine. NixOS is the most bestest at everything ever and everyone should immediately jump right into it with no help or context straight out of Windows. Are you happy now?