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[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Maybe not reward greed for a start

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip -5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sure. Great words. Won't help at all. Won't change a thing at all. Because people will always be greedy, and all societies reward the dark triad of human traits rather than the civilized and honorable ones.

A nice guy like you, who figured it out, doesn't matter the slightest. No offence meant ofc.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

"people will always be greedy" is such a lazy response. It's the same as saying "there's no point in trying to prevent violence and murder, because people will always be violent and murder others".

And not all societies worked the way our society does.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip -5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A lazy response? So you actually disagree? Have you taken a look around in the world? Even if the majority wouldn't be greedy at all, the minority is always more than enough to fuck up the system (for others)

And we're not talking about homicides. Sure everyone not murdered is good. But do you think, that you and your perfect political ideology will ever change anything? Are you filthy rich? Then you might have a tiny chance. But if you were, we wouldn't be talking here. You're, like everyone else, a toothless cog-wheel.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The system itself heavily rewards greed.

For a metaphor, you cannot look at people growing up in a cheating and lying home and conclude that it's human nature to lie and cheat all the time. We all grew up in capitalism, but there existed societies where things like greed wasn't rewarded, but shunned, and they were different.

And your last paragraph, well, if change can never happen, why even bother voting? You're just one vote in a million? Why form a union? Why do anything? Why do activism? It's too pessimistic and not how the world works. Movements are very much possible.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah sure. Just continue believing in it. No sarcasm here. I just don't. We're ruled by capital and that will never change as long as the regular Joe and Jane at least got their TV, beer and whatever else little they require to be "happy".

"Optimism is just a lack of knowledge" someone once said. Anyhow I'm not pessimistic, but simply realistic. My WISH to change this world to the better, changes absolutely nothing to the fact that I can't. By no means at all. You can't really think, that, in our modern times, there would be big changes possible? Especially when those big changes would mostly be horrible to the big money-bags? We will probably even witness the birth of the first person to be a trillionaire(s). Nothing will stop this.

I'd love to be wrong here.

[–] Daskie@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

As you mentioned in another comment, you're at least somewhat well off (I don't fault you for that), which means you very likely have stable housing, food, access to healthcare, etc., great. But that means you aren't experiencing the same pressure that the global average person is. I.e. there's still a few necks between yours and the boot.

So it's easy for you to say this, cry "there's nothing that can be done", to retain your conscience while living out your life in relative comfort.

I don't mean to vilify you. Everyone does this to some degree. Life is short and scary, and it's no single one of our faults for the current situation.

But please understand that rolling over on your back in apathy is exactly what those ten men want. And spreading it through social media even more so.

The world looked completely different 100 years ago, and 100 years before that, and that rate of change has not slowed. There is no reason to think it won't be completely different 100 years from now, and what that will look like entirely depends on what we do now.