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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (4 children)

You think they get together and decide who pretends to have beliefs that happen to fuck the whole party? This sounds like absolute bullshit from a BoTh SiDeS-er.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago

I don't think they need to. For the most part, it's just convenient for the majority to not get anything done and it's campaign material for Manchin to betray the party. I think that by and large, it's a symbiotic relationship where both sides get what they want.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

There doesn't have to be a conspiracy for this behavior to occur organically. Both parties represent different factions of the bourgeoisie, and different factions want different things but are united in interests common to being bourgeoisie.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think it does happen once in a blue moon. Congress is more educated on their votes than the general public, and sometimes all the information isn't public. Once in a while they feel they're going to need to make a vote that isn't popular with their base, and might actually do the rotating villain thing. But that's also going to take into account how strong/weak they are in their districts, and would never be Manchin or Sinema.

We might even see this more in the near future, where Congress is being briefed by experts, the military, the FBI, and the CIA while the general public is being briefed by AI-powered social media propaganda campaigns.

Of course people like to blame the "rotating villain" every single time the party does something they disagree with, because obviously the user's opinion must be the majority opinion.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -2 points 10 months ago

I dont think the source of disagreement is being more educated, the source of disagreement is that they vote for their and their buddy's interests and not the interests of most people.

[–] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You really think no back room deals ever take place in congress?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Never said that. I think this is way bigger in scope than a "back room deal"

[–] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Right and neither did the person you replied to say what you implied they said. You set up a strawman and really knocked the crap out of it, great job

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

You are rude. I think this was actually a simple misunderstanding but I have no desire to interact with you now. Bye.